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PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
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Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#102Having converted a couple of PHP projects to modern languages and maintained way more than i care to admit: Its not going anywhere. Or at least in europe its not. Symfony et al have matured enough so they are usuable for allmost everything web related and if you dont plan to be the next google homepage, it will carry you VERY far. Is it pretty? No. Is it efficient? No. But you will be able to find 10 coders for the p…
There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best Web-framework Laravel is a clone of Rails, No original good ideas in the PHP Community and thats the problem. The reason is PHP is a poor clone of Perl.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the JS equivalent of "place an index.php file in a folder to deploy"? What's the JS FOSS equivalent of ProcessWire as a CMF + CMS? What's the JS equivalent to e.g. DreamHost and other drag + drop hosts? (Legitimately curious, and I'm mainly inquiring after equivalents-for...better-thans would definitely be interesting)
An html file with a tag
Exactly this. It's the perfect approach for teaching people the basics of how to use my JS library - https://scrawl-v8.rikweb.org.uk/learn/first-lesson/
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#104Having converted a couple of PHP projects to modern languages and maintained way more than i care to admit: Its not going anywhere. Or at least in europe its not. Symfony et al have matured enough so they are usuable for allmost everything web related and if you dont plan to be the next google homepage, it will carry you VERY far. Is it pretty? No. Is it efficient? No. But you will be able to find 10 coders for the p…
There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best Web-framework Laravel is a clone of Rails, No original good ideas in the PHP Community and thats the problem. The reason is PHP is a poor clone of Perl.
I was with you until the end. Originally doesn’t mean shit. Who cares if Laravel is a Rails clone? For the record, I have no idea if it is, let alone if it is beyond the degree that plenty of other things are “Rails clones”. And this is ignoring the fact that Rails had been inspired plenty by other projects throughout its lifetime, as it should.
I’m interested in using the right tool for the job, not getting caught up in weird inside baseball attribution wars. IMO, PHP is often not the best tool because it’s a shitty language. If it has a “Rails clone”, that makes it better, not worse.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#105PHP CMSs are not as relevant today, as they were years before. Nowadays you can quickly generate a static website using Hugo or 11ty and host it on Netlify or Cloudflare Pages for free.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#106PHP CMSs are not as relevant today, as they were years before. Nowadays you can quickly generate a static website using Hugo or 11ty and host it on Netlify or Cloudflare Pages for free.
Dynamic is what you build with PHP.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The drop index.php into a folder is the only way I use PHP now. Back when I was building applications in PHP it was all frameworks. package managers, op code caching, etc. But I no longer do PHP development but for my own personal websites I still use PHP but in that most minimal form.
Exactly, if one is not developing PHP for the enterprise (maybe some non-enterprise simple projects still use opcodes though? lol), it's silly not to leverage index.php for all it's worth :-) So where is the hyper-simple JS equivalent for that class of non-enterprise projects, is what I wonder...the enterprise stuff has always been heavy and loads projects down with maintenance debt.
The equivalent for JS is just an HTML file.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the PHP equivalent of writing your front end and back end in the same language so you can share libraries and data and not have to switch gears between two different languages each time you look up or down the stack? There is a HUGE advantage to using the same language in the browser and on the server, and PHP isn't ever going to displace JavaScript in the browser. So JavaScript it is. That ship sailed a LONG…
As long time Java, .NET and C++ developer, this is oversold, beyond some form validation there is hardly any value sharing code. And in what concerns validation, it can be automated on most frameworks, which has to be done on server side anyway due to security concerns.
The value is really not in sharing code, but rather sharing developers. Instead of having to assemble and keep happy a diverse group of specialized professionals, you can just hire and fire a bunch of cheap JS folks, who are easily replaceable.
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#109PHP popularity is decreasing because there are better tools for the same niche today. The same happened for Perl in 00s. The same is happening for every web backend language, as JavaScript is becoming ubique due to it being the de facto and only choice for the web frontend. Maybe PHP can be made better, but it would need some radical changes and then the question is that if it’s worth the effort and maybe to pick up…
What's the JS equivalent of "place an index.php file in a folder to deploy"? What's the JS FOSS equivalent of ProcessWire as a CMF + CMS? What's the JS equivalent to e.g. DreamHost and other drag + drop hosts? (Legitimately curious, and I'm mainly inquiring after equivalents-for...better-thans would definitely be interesting)
Oh, processwire looks interesting, first time hearing about it
Re: PHP Popularity: Is it decreasing and what to do about it?
#110Having converted a couple of PHP projects to modern languages and maintained way more than i care to admit: Its not going anywhere. Or at least in europe its not. Symfony et al have matured enough so they are usuable for allmost everything web related and if you dont plan to be the next google homepage, it will carry you VERY far. Is it pretty? No. Is it efficient? No. But you will be able to find 10 coders for the p…
There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best Web-framework Laravel is a clone of Rails, No original good ideas in the PHP Community and thats the problem. The reason is PHP is a poor clone of Perl.
Jup jup.
"PHP is used by 77.5% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know."