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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by borski »

Dalewyn wrote: post #395
dang wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those are implied. What I posted was bog-standard HN moderation. You could replace the name Feinstein with any other, or her party or politics with any other, and I'd have posted the same moderation response. I'm not sure what you're finding hard to understand about HN having a guideline that asks people not to call names or do flamewar.

I don't have any complications with HN guidelines, but I do with the way they are enforced. I see plenty of posts that call people, both ordinary and public figures, "names" that go unflagged and unmoderated. I see plenty of meme posts that don't get flagged and moderated. I see political threads and subthreads all the time despite politics strictly being off-limits per guidelines. In fairness to you, you've never cl…

This very thread is a precise example of why moderation is hard and necessary. I read the whole thing and it has zero interesting substance, and does not do anything to satisfy curiosity, which is largely the point of HN.

I’d recommend reading the guidelines one more time.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

glerk wrote: post #399
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #373

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> "IT PROTECTS THE CHILDREN!" they'll scream, while using it to take more power away from society and concentrate it into their own hands. I don't think you're wrong in predicting this, and I actually think you're proven correct by precedent already. The answer to this is many and varied, but one core concept that should always be kept in mind is, much like "with great power comes great responsibility": With great cl…

There is no good answer to this. I suggest not wasting your time trying to argue in good faith with irrational or straight up malicious actors. Better invest in ways to protect yourself, your assets and your anonymity through technology.

I know what you're saying is inescapably true, but I feel the need to point out that the fact that is has gotten to the point that it is inescapably true fucking sucks and there is a lot of work that needs to be done to undo it.

True change lies in policy and legislation, not in technical defence. The ability to change policy and legislation is a sign that 'power' is coming back into balance between the people and the government - and if we can't do that, then the power balance needs restorative work.

Technical defence should always exist, but rarely be necessary, especially against the government of one's own country.

(If one can argue in good faith in public, visibly, the bad faith of the opposition matters less than the ability to make aware as many of the public as possible. Bad faith, irrational, or malicious actors should be able to be backed into a corner with their own arguments)

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by Dalewyn »

csomar wrote: post #381
kipchak wrote: post #261

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While the above is overly simplistic, the basic concept has historical precedent under the general umbrella Social Cycle Theory which is likely why it persists. The same basic idea is described in Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah as "Asabiyyah", for example. There is also the Greek kyklos, or the more recent Cyclical Theory[1], Strauss-Howe generational theory or Secular cycles theory,[2] which roughly maps on to the meme's…

The meme is a bad interpretation of "Asabiyyah" which covers something else, entirely. It's also not clear whether it's still valid today with the globalized world-order created by the US and its allies.

It is very valid.

Certain locales like Japan are dealing with the reality that newer generations forget history. Specifically for this example the history of WW2, and Japan's desire to not take a part in instigating WW3.

As the saying goes, those who forget history (read: weak men) are doomed to repeat it (read: create bad times).

Hell, we're seeing it in our own little techie corner of the world: People have forgotten (read: weak men) the consequences of a browser monopoly (read: IE6), and have ushered in the age of a Chrome monopoly (read: doomed to repeat history).

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by HopenHeyHi »

yieldcrv wrote: post #279
HopenHeyHi wrote: post #265

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This attitude isn't a good look for the owners of this private platform and I don't think they'd agree with your perspective nor do most of the users. Food for thought.

The users dont matter and will do the same thing on their own platforms once there are any stakeholders The owner’s actions speak louder than their words and the moderations actions in their properties are not a mystery or unexpected

My my, the users don't matter. Who does? Maybe only yieldcrv matters?

The owners have left this platform and mostly hang out on twitter.

> the moderations actions in their properties are not a mystery or unexpected

Something we could agree on until relatively recently, there seems to be a notable change in direction and a growing dissatisfaction online and offline amongst actual entrepreneurs (the sort that apply to ycombinator) and investors. If those users don't matter and start leaving what is this site actually for my friend?

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by yakubin »

betaby wrote: post #122
pksebben wrote: post #92

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I feel like we just have to hold out for another couple of decades - until there aren't any boomers left in government. This whole clusterfuck is a result of old people not knowing their ass from a pihole.

I EU and Canada such laws are pushed by relatively yang folks as well, like ones in their 40s.

It’s depressing that in modern times people in their 40s are considered young. In 1776 Alexander Hamilton was 21, Burr was 20, Thomas Jefferson was 33, Madison was 25, and Monroe was 18.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by Dalewyn »

borski wrote: post #401
Dalewyn wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any complications with HN guidelines, but I do with the way they are enforced. I see plenty of posts that call people, both ordinary and public figures, "names" that go unflagged and unmoderated. I see plenty of meme posts that don't get flagged and moderated. I see political threads and subthreads all the time despite politics strictly being off-limits per guidelines. In fairness to you, you've never cl…

This very thread is a precise example of why moderation is hard and necessary. I read the whole thing and it has zero interesting substance, and does not do anything to satisfy curiosity, which is largely the point of HN. I’d recommend reading the guidelines one more time.

The very fact this thread (it's political in nature) wasn't expunged at first sight is indication that moderation is dealt out unequally, unfairly, and unobjectively.

I reiterate: I am fine with dang enforcing his beliefs upon this publication as it is his property and he never so much as implied to support free speech. From the outset we deliberate and have our thoughts published here at his pleasure.

However, seeing as he has set out rules ("guidelines") he has an obligation to enforce them equally, fairly, and objectively.

I don't necessarily have a problem with him prohibiting insults, if that's his policy here then it is what it is because this is his publication space. But if he is defending Feinstein or any other particular individual specifically, that I do have a problem with and if such is made clear I will take my leave because I have no interest in enabling such matters.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by HopenHeyHi »

Dalewyn wrote: post #406
borski wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This very thread is a precise example of why moderation is hard and necessary. I read the whole thing and it has zero interesting substance, and does not do anything to satisfy curiosity, which is largely the point of HN. I’d recommend reading the guidelines one more time.

The very fact this thread (it's political in nature) wasn't expunged at first sight is indication that moderation is dealt out unequally, unfairly, and unobjectively. I reiterate: I am fine with dang enforcing his beliefs upon this publication as it is his property and he never so much as implied to support free speech. From the outset we deliberate and have our thoughts published here at his pleasure. However, seein…

Exactly right.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by myhf »

hellojesus wrote: post #271
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #82

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Not just public records. Public officials should be on Medicare. Their retirement should be Social Security. Their staff should be subject to the same employment rules that apply to everyone else. And so on.

But Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by croes »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #210
croes wrote: post #187

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Take them to a public toilet. There is a difference between pooping in front of family and in front of strangers.

Is it irony that doing this (or even your comment) would likely land you in really big trouble under the purpose of this act?

We'll get more cases like that:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32564126

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