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Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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You could try to look at some of the often cited terms from public companies and try to see how you compare. For instance, a publicly traded company in your sector might be valued at a p/e ratio of 10 ( p= price, e = earnings). If your yearly earnings are $50.000 then your company would have a valuation of $500.000.

Remember that earnings is income minus expenses. So this includes the cost of maintaining the site. If it is a full time job then the buyer would be purchasing a 50K job. Also generally smaller companies go for lesser multiples than larger companies. It really depends on how much time and attention the owner has to put into it. In the case of a publicly traded company that is close to zero for shareholders (unless yo…

It's a one man show at the moment, and I only need 10 minutes a day for administration. There is programming involved, but the app has a lot of features and is bug free, just sometimes I will add an extra feature or two when I'm bored.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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With any situation, it depends, but great article here: http://www.wrevenue.com/2007/10/24/selling-a-web-business/

Thanks, thats a good resource, though it seems more set on how to do the transaction rather than offering advice on a valuation.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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Don't sell it.

If you have income coming in with little work, and it's growing, WHY would you ever want to sell it?

If you do have a good reason to sell, figure out you minimum (say, 250,000$), and ask for triple that.

Also remember you'll be paying lots of taxes on whatever you get.

So again, if it's really that easy to run, and it makes that money, just keep it. You can retire then, not even 1,000,000$ can compete with that.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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Oh, and also: do NOT give them a price. Ask them: what are you willing to pay (after you figure out your price in your own head). NEVER give them a price.

Once they say: "We'll pay 100,000" (let's say your minimum is 200,000), just play it hard and say no. And then argue your case.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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Don't sell it. If you have income coming in with little work, and it's growing, WHY would you ever want to sell it? If you do have a good reason to sell, figure out you minimum (say, 250,000$), and ask for triple that. Also remember you'll be paying lots of taxes on whatever you get. So again, if it's really that easy to run, and it makes that money, just keep it. You can retire then, not even 1,000,000$ can compete…

Are you sure? A 5% bank interest on a million dollars would be the same as the 50k it's making right now.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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So, there are a few things to consider. First, how much work will the new owner need to put into it? $15,000 worth of work per year? Remember $10k only pays for about 5-6 hours of work per week. Second, how likely is it that someone can de-seat your site? That makes it much less likely that the site is worth so much. Third, would a competitor, given a decade, be able to build what you have built with relative ease? T…

So, if your site needs a full-time programmer, it's worthless. I mean, it's worth something to you because it can be your income. However, it's not worth anything to an owner since they'd be paying all of the income to a programmer (yes, even if that's themselves since they aren't getting the site for free). I think this is false. If the buyer is able to run the site without hiring a programmer then the site provides…

Nope. Let's say that it does need a full-time programmer. You pau $200,000 for this site assuming it will pay for itself in 4 years. But, since it requires a full-time programmer, you have to quit your job. Now you're just in debt. So, for the first 4 years, you have no income as you pay off $50,000 of that $200,000 each year. Well, that won't work. In fact, the government is going to want some of that in taxes, so it will probably be 6 years where your income is $0.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that a decade is a long time for a site to stay relevant and in a good position. As such, if 80% of the money from the site goes to paying off the site, it isn't worth much. If it requires you to work on the site full-time, it's worth nothing since you'd be loosing the income you could get at another job.

Whether you're doing the work or someone else is doing the work, if you have to quit your job, then the site must be able to satisfy your income PLUS profits that make the investment worthwhile. You've said that the income is a reward. So, would you pay me $200,000 and work for me full-time for 10 years for me to give you $50,000 per year for those 10 years? No! You could get a job paying $50,000 without paying someone $200,000. Now, let's say that you only had to work 3-4 hours a week. That's a VERY different story.

Do you see where I'm going there? A site like the one described is a good investment if it can be a little site project that doesn't take much time. If it requires you to work full-time on it, $50,000 will cut it IF you don't have to buy it in the first place. If you have to pay $200,000, you might as well just get a traditional job paying $50,000 and not have to pay the $200,000.

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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I am in a similar situation right now, and one of the things that we came up with is an upfront payment with additional dollars down the road pegged to revenue growth. To clarify, I am not suggesting lowering your sell price but rather getting the buyer to commit to more dollars on top of your discounted cash flow figure. One more minor advice is to negotiate a consulting fee for yourself. Clearly, you've been doing…

Be careful with this method. I've heard a story of a German entrepreneur who built a valuable business around a web service and was bought. He wanted more money than the buyer could give so they agree that he would get a significant amount of the value as shares. There was much more share value than money because the seller was confident in the business model. Then the bubble 2000 exploded and the shares lost all the…

Dude, have you read my comment at all before posting your random story of the day? I made sure to stress I mean dollars. I made sure to stress I mean dollars on top of a firm sale price. Seriously, which part of my post said shares to you?

Re: Someone wants to buy my site, how can I value it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if your site needs a full-time programmer, it's worthless. I mean, it's worth something to you because it can be your income. However, it's not worth anything to an owner since they'd be paying all of the income to a programmer (yes, even if that's themselves since they aren't getting the site for free). I think this is false. If the buyer is able to run the site without hiring a programmer then the site provides…

Nope. Let's say that it does need a full-time programmer. You pau $200,000 for this site assuming it will pay for itself in 4 years. But, since it requires a full-time programmer, you have to quit your job. Now you're just in debt. So, for the first 4 years, you have no income as you pay off $50,000 of that $200,000 each year. Well, that won't work. In fact, the government is going to want some of that in taxes, so i…

I hear what you're saying. There's just a key point that I would like your opinion on:

So, for the first 4 years, you have no income as you pay off $50,000 of that $200,000 each year.

The assumption though is that it's a healthy company and will continue to grow, if not hold its revenue, otherwise the annual multiplier shouldn't be 4 and you shouldn't be buying it. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume that the above is true. Yes, you're not making an obvious income, but you are earning 50,000$ worth of a company at the end of each year with 0 investment from your pocket. Isn't that a good reward for your efforts? PLUS if the company grows, you keep the surplus in profits.

What I'm saying is it's subjective/relative. If you're a person who's making 30,000$ per year and you want to make 50,000$ per year, then it's worth it to buy this company at 200,000$ since you will increase your yearly earnings, even if the first 4 years you're paying off the worth of the company. It's an investment, like a house. At the end of 4 years, you own a company that's worth 200,000$ or more, if you run it well, PLUS you have a salary of 50,000. That's not bad, and I think you could find someone who'd be interested in that, no?

That's why I say pick your buyers. If you try to sell to someone who wants to buy the company and then sit on their couch while the company rakes in 50,000$ per year, then no, you won't be able to sell it for 200,000$. If you have someone who's looking for a new job and sees future growth potential in your company, then yes, 200,000$ is a good price.

Does that make sense?

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