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Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Or gravity is just bending of space around a mass. And not a force.

Not a physicist, but how do you get something to bend without a force exerted upon it?

They attribute it to the fact that space around the object is bent. Which is causing the other object to drop, accelerate or bent. Check General Relativity's explanation of Gravity.

That might not answer all of your or my question. But maybe we didn't give enough time to ponder on that line.

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Obviously gravity works on particles to condense into stars, which create light...so I'm guessing it's not talking about that?

You added 'particles'.

The authors added "electromagnetic field", which also happens to involve particles.

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The title is about gravity, but the first line is about wave of gravity. Hmm. We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one. We also know that gravitational waves - the spacetime curvature changes with time - carry energy, so can be transformed into light. Do we still know if spacetime alone can create light?.. I'm not sure we know it today. So... we have a great experiment here, which shows somet…

> We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one

To be pedantic, we don't know this. Hawking radiation has never been observed.

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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So the trick to creat this light in todays environment would be to make a gravity amplifying device similiar to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_laser and overlay the amplitudes? That can be easy. Just have a microscopic black hole particle go back and forth in a field..

And I just upgraded all of my bulbs to LED...

This made my fucking day

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Isn't gravity just a fundamental force? Could it be matter reacting to gravity? Light is energy but gravity is not energy and has no mass so how can it create something out of nothing? How is hawking radiation even possible unless something else was involved?

Or gravity is just bending of space around a mass. And not a force.

I used to share your confusion on this topic, but I think I got it:

General Relativity posits that gravity embodies both of those qualities you mentioned.

It is a force that bends space and dilates time.

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> Isn't gravity just a fundamental force? Not really. Gravity is most accurately described by the general theory of relativity... which describes gravity not as a force, but as the curvature of spacetime, caused by the uneven distribution of mass, and causing masses to move along geodesic lines.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

You have to remember that General Relativity is wrong. We don't know exactly how it's wrong, but it's wrong. In light of that fact, it's not really a proper answer to say that "General Relativity says it isn't so it isn't." It is true that GR says gravity isn't a force, but the implication doesn't follow. We don't know whether a Grand Unified Theory would have gravity as a force or not. Given that a great deal of the…

> You have to remember that General Relativity is wrong.

I really don't, because it really isn't. All I need remember is that you are wrong.

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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The title is about gravity, but the first line is about wave of gravity. Hmm. We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one. We also know that gravitational waves - the spacetime curvature changes with time - carry energy, so can be transformed into light. Do we still know if spacetime alone can create light?.. I'm not sure we know it today. So... we have a great experiment here, which shows somet…

> We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one To be pedantic, we don't know this. Hawking radiation has never been observed.

Relevant: https://phys.org/news/2021-02-stationary-hawking-analog-blac...

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Or gravity is just bending of space around a mass. And not a force.

Not a physicist, but how do you get something to bend without a force exerted upon it?

The cool thing about gravity is that it doesn't bend anything it just alters space so that straight things are bent.

Re: Physicists discover that gravity can create light

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Or gravity is just bending of space around a mass. And not a force.

Not a physicist, but how do you get something to bend without a force exerted upon it?

It's just unfortunate nomenclature. Space(time) is a set of dimensions. It's not a substance, like a ruler, anymore than temperature is a substance in a thermometer. The word "bend" misleads us by equivocating "bending" a ruler (forcefully rearranging its atoms into a new shape) with "bending" spacetime (e.g. changing how fast someone's clock ticks).
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