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Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by ylere »

girishso wrote: post #185
H8crilA wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People underappreciate how addictive nicotine is. I've been an addict for 15 years and I quit so many times, sometimes for longer than a year. The new smoking inventions only make it worse because they allow for much much higher dosages. I've seen teens smoking what amounts to 10 packs a day worth of nicotine. And they didn't have to chain smoke for 12 hours to achieve that.

What new smoking inventions? Genuinely interested.

Nicotine Vapes - Look at the effective dosage of JUULs capsules for example [0]. This combined with the ease of use, the removal of the (unpleasant) smoke, increased social acceptance (often indoors too) and a huge advertising campaign deliberately targeting teens [1] created a lot of new smokers/nicotine addicts (and converted some) that smoke more often and at much higher dosages.

[0] https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416371/juul-delivers-subst...

   The research found that blood nicotine concentrations in the JUUL group (136.4 ng/ml) was eight times higher than e-cigs group (17.1 ng/ml) and 5.2 times higher than cigarettes (26.1 ng/ml).
[1] https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-toba...

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by mkoubaa »

codersfocus wrote: post #139
elashri wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there is two main opinions for scholars. The first one is obvious, people in this place follow the fasting time of the nearest place that have sound sunrise/sunset times. The other is to follow the fasting times of mecca.

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Chronologically, the first sentence of the Quran is "Read."

And, the Quran on dozens of occasions demands that people think and use their faculty of reason.

A message can be considered divine without it being completely patronizing

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by abeppu »

hd4 wrote: post #190
abeppu wrote: post #175

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> you aren't cursed for having those desires, but for acting upon them That sounds exactly as repressive and hateful that other major religion, as well as historical laws which punished homosexual acts in many western countries. You have highlighted the difference between our desires and our behavior, but you seem to deliberately avoid acknowledging that straight people are permitted an institution in which their des…

Islam pretty much is a framework for how you deal with God and for how your life here and hereafter will be according to that relationship. That's all it is. You also acknowledge that even straight people have constraints in Islam, i.e. no sleeping around etc, why not also argue that it's somehow terrible that straight people have to repress their desire to fornicate? "You're invited to participate in our faith so lo…

I've said your description sounds "exactly as repressive and hateful" as another major religion and the laws of many western states until relatively recently. You're insinuating that Islam is being targeted or singled out whereas I will blanket label as homophobic any regime which masquerades as being even-handed because they generously permit queer people to pretend to be straight, so can you stop with the victim complex please?

Liberal humanism is against what it sees as destructive and oppressive behavior, without prejudicing or singling out any specific group. Look at the higher purpose here.

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by sterlind »

mkoubaa wrote: post #197
mardifoufs wrote: post #193

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I'm muslim but I never understood why that is the case. Surely the lunar calendar/phases/characteristics must be easy to reliably predict?

I and many others use calculations but some folks prefer the traditional method

lunar groundhog day!

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by agentwiggles »

girishso wrote: post #185
H8crilA wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People underappreciate how addictive nicotine is. I've been an addict for 15 years and I quit so many times, sometimes for longer than a year. The new smoking inventions only make it worse because they allow for much much higher dosages. I've seen teens smoking what amounts to 10 packs a day worth of nicotine. And they didn't have to chain smoke for 12 hours to achieve that.

What new smoking inventions? Genuinely interested.

Vaping, I assume. I admit with some shame that after over a decade off cigarettes, I'm currently re-addicted to nicotine via vaping. Over the past 10 years or so, I would buy a pack of smokes every once in a while (like, maybe once a year), and enjoy smoking at a party or concert or whatever. I never had trouble stopping after a few and would usually throw the rest of the pack away, it was honestly just too inconvenient to keep up an addiction (not to mention that unless I was _really_ drinking, I would be all too keenly aware that, well, cigarettes are nasty).

Last time I was on vacation, and might have bought a pack of cigarettes, I decided "hey, why not try a Juul instead," and, the rest is history.

While I'm overall in favor of vapes and think that they're a valuable cessation device, the problem, for me, is that it's all to easy to vape while I work in my home office - no smell, no fire, etc. I think that makes it a lot easier to continually dose nicotine and really settle into addiction. Also, while I'm sure they're safer than cigarettes, I still have doubts that they're safe, and I can't help but think of the attitudes that used to prevail with regards to tobacco back in the 40s and 50s when I hear folks talking about how totally OK for your body vaping is.

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by HopenHeyHi »

dang wrote: post #183
HopenHeyHi wrote: post #128

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Dang, respectfully, you should ask him what he means by it because I honestly read it differently. I think he is calling the well wishing weird/phony as most people here are irreligious / not muslims / haven't had a clue about Eid Mubarak until yesterday. Anyway, I can't be sure either but my point is it absolutely would not have occurred to me until you said it. Caveat: English is not my first language but obviously…

We have to moderate by effects, not intent (which often we can't know); moreover we have to moderate by effects based on past experience. In terms of effects based on past experience I promise you that referring to religion this way is the sort of thing that leads to flamewars. It is not a close call. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

That is quite a bit more nuanced and reasonable that the original moderation feedback given. You certainly appeared to know his intent when you outright accused him of name calling.

> p.s. Please let's not go into name-calling like "fruit-cakery". You can make your substantive points without that!

Heed your own advice?

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by mkoubaa »

Aeolun wrote: post #24

Eid Mubarak! > no food or water But really no water? That doesn’t sound healthy. Of course you can easily make it through a day without fluids but…

Within 5 days I'm fully adjusted but there are some symptoms of dehydration before that.

Leads me to doubt the conventional wisdom these days of "drink gallons of water per day to have a chance of being healthy"

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by mardifoufs »

codersfocus wrote: post #139
elashri wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there is two main opinions for scholars. The first one is obvious, people in this place follow the fasting time of the nearest place that have sound sunrise/sunset times. The other is to follow the fasting times of mecca.

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Why would something that only applies to probably 0.01% of humans be mentioned in a book made to be understood/followed by everyone? Especially when Islam always allows for exceptions based on good faith, reasonable terms and best effort. That's why you can eat pork if no other food is available, or drink alcohol for medical reasons (mostly surgery, back then). You are also allowed to not fast whenever you travel, so it's not like exceptions on fasting rules can't exist.

So with that framework, it is not needed to have every single little quirk documented. But it sometimes also requires islamic experts to confirm what would be reasonable and reassure those who haven't read or understood everything in the Quran. You really can't look at Islam as a completely rigid list of potential gotchas. And there's no equivalent of a clergy or a pope, so you have to think of those experts' interpretations as more of a "legal opinion" instead of religious or divine mandates.

(It's also why it is funny whenever I hear about people dunking bullets in pig blood or whatever when fighting against muslims, because they think that will send them to hell or something. As if intent isn't super important in Islam!)

Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak

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Post by permalac »

elashri wrote: post #111
IndigoIncognito wrote: post #25

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People sit exams during ramadan, I don't know how

I had 12 years of pre-college education, 4 for university, 2 for Masters and 2 years of classes in my PhD ( I am candidate now) and I think I had exams while I was fasting in each year and it wasn't a big deal. I rarely even see a Muslim student break fast for exams. And I think people saying they request accommodation this week, that's usually because of Eid and the couple of nights before that we believe it is the…

How does your focus evolve or progress while fasting? Any relevant difference between the first days and the last days?
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