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The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Is the world becoming more and more Orwellian? Is this a long term trend? It got pretty much unnoticed on HN, that Europe recently voted to make all crypto payments illegal unless the seller collects the personal data of the buyer. Independent of the amount. So there will be a track record of everything bought via crypto. Is it only a matter of time until cash is going away globally, and states have access to everyth…

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Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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The thing I don't get is... won't bans on end-to-end encryption ban https? If I go to a website and ask for a web page over https, isn't the request and response between my device and the web server, an end-to-end encrypted message? Because the endpoints are my device and the web server. If I can't send my credit card details to a payment provider over an end-to-end encrypted channel, doesn't all commerce on the web…

Really short answer: They want back doors to all this stuff, including your cc info. As long as only the "good guys have" this ability, what could go wrong?

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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The thing I don't get is... won't bans on end-to-end encryption ban https? If I go to a website and ask for a web page over https, isn't the request and response between my device and the web server, an end-to-end encrypted message? Because the endpoints are my device and the web server. If I can't send my credit card details to a payment provider over an end-to-end encrypted channel, doesn't all commerce on the web…

Well, HTTPS is not end-to-end. That latter term is reserved for encryption that encrypts the messages between clients so servers can’t parse them.

When you have a centralized system like ICANN DNS, the governments know which IP addresses the domain points to. They can go and serve them National Security Letters or shake them down to install secret backdoors.

WhatsApp and Facebook can lie to you that they’re end-to-end encrypted. There is nothing stopping them from shipping custom updates. In facg they’ve been caught red-handed spying on both your video and audio. The only way you can be SURE an app isnt lying to you is with open source software, then you only have to trust the OS and browser (the Trusted Computing Base).

(That is why I am a big fan of blockchain-based smart contaracts. But blockchains are slow, so the next best thing is hosting your business logic using open source software on servers you control.)

Why do so many people trust Big Tech? Simple. We have no other choice!

Where are the VIABLE AND USER FRIENDLY open source alternatives to Facebook, Twitter, Telegram backends?

No one seems to have built anything better or more efficient than, say, Mastodon.

Except us. It was a labor of love and cost me a million dollars to date: https://github.com/Qbix/Platform

PS: If you play with it for a afternoon, post your experience or email me. I would be thrilled to hear about your experience, good or bad. And of course use it for anything you want.

I would be very happy to be proven wrong and see some more competitors being mentioned here, but if you do, make an honest assessment of how they compare! People need alternatives to the closed walled gardens, but having all these features working and up-to-date with browser tech is extremely hard: https://qbix.com/features.pdf

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Is the world becoming more and more Orwellian? Is this a long term trend? It got pretty much unnoticed on HN, that Europe recently voted to make all crypto payments illegal unless the seller collects the personal data of the buyer. Independent of the amount. So there will be a track record of everything bought via crypto. Is it only a matter of time until cash is going away globally, and states have access to everyth…

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I think it would be much more likely that a startup comes along and makes the transaction tracking efficient, like with a trusted payment app, than finding some way around Orwellian government motives.

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Is the world becoming more and more Orwellian? Is this a long term trend? It got pretty much unnoticed on HN, that Europe recently voted to make all crypto payments illegal unless the seller collects the personal data of the buyer. Independent of the amount. So there will be a track record of everything bought via crypto. Is it only a matter of time until cash is going away globally, and states have access to everyth…

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Sufficiently advanced satire? Or genuine proposal? Either way, I like it.

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Any dumbing down of end-to-end encryption will hand Russia and China nuclear powered hacking tools for our economy, infrastructure and digital integrity. With near peer wars ongoing, I would relegate this stuff to a noise filter. The US DoD cannot afford encryption to be dumbed down. And they seem to understand that.

These initiatives will always exist because there will always be people that do not understand what encryption is and what it provides. But lots of smart people understand the consequences would be catastrophic, and rapid. We cannot eliminate dumb politically-motivated ideas.

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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post #9

The thing I don't get is... won't bans on end-to-end encryption ban https? If I go to a website and ask for a web page over https, isn't the request and response between my device and the web server, an end-to-end encrypted message? Because the endpoints are my device and the web server. If I can't send my credit card details to a payment provider over an end-to-end encrypted channel, doesn't all commerce on the web…

Well, HTTPS is not end-to-end. That latter term is reserved for encryption that encrypts the messages between clients so servers can’t parse them. When you have a centralized system like ICANN DNS, the governments know which IP addresses the domain points to. They can go and serve them National Security Letters or shake them down to install secret backdoors. WhatsApp and Facebook can lie to you that they’re end-to-en…

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Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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post #9

The thing I don't get is... won't bans on end-to-end encryption ban https? If I go to a website and ask for a web page over https, isn't the request and response between my device and the web server, an end-to-end encrypted message? Because the endpoints are my device and the web server. If I can't send my credit card details to a payment provider over an end-to-end encrypted channel, doesn't all commerce on the web…

Well, HTTPS is not end-to-end. That latter term is reserved for encryption that encrypts the messages between clients so servers can’t parse them. When you have a centralized system like ICANN DNS, the governments know which IP addresses the domain points to. They can go and serve them National Security Letters or shake them down to install secret backdoors. WhatsApp and Facebook can lie to you that they’re end-to-en…

> Well, HTTPS is not end-to-end

I'm not well versed for encryption, but isn't this a matter of perspective? If you're downloading a .midi file from a server, the other "end" is that server, isn't it? Will the forces pushing this make any nuanced distinction, outside of this?

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Author here. Happy to see this went viral.

I have spent 12 years and 1 million dollars to date (no exaggeration, I worked jobs, architected trained / paid my developer team for years, we are now good friends) on a project to hopefully help people get a viable alternative to the Big Tech, and have choice where to host the infrastructure they typically expect from Facebook, Twitter, Telegram etc. It’s open source and it’s the only way you can make it expensive to backdoor everyone in bulk, or shut down a platform altogether:

https://github.com/Qbix/Platform

If you spend an afternoon playing with, I think you’ll feel like you’re discovering superpowers (like Batman or Iron man or something). It’s free to use. We’re launching https://qbix.com/ecosystem soon, with courses and certification so anyone who wants to learn, click on my profile and email me.

Here is the philosophy behind why we built it: https://qbix.com/blog/2021/01/15/open-source-communities/

And if you like what we do and you’re thinking of supporting us with $100 or more, feel free to do it here… November 5 we are launching, until then you can voluntarily put a “no-obligation” contribution: https://wefunder.com/Qbix

Re: The coming war on end-to-end encryption

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Is the world becoming more and more Orwellian? Is this a long term trend? It got pretty much unnoticed on HN, that Europe recently voted to make all crypto payments illegal unless the seller collects the personal data of the buyer. Independent of the amount. So there will be a track record of everything bought via crypto. Is it only a matter of time until cash is going away globally, and states have access to everyth…

If I buy crypto and posess it in my own wallet afterwards I can usw it however. Atleast with monero.
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