CATL has announced a new “condensed” battery with 500 Wh/kg

Post by asdfman123 » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 7:41 AM UTC

matsemann wrote: post #116

0xy wrote: post #65

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They're unlikely to succeed because if the massive tax on poor people (ICE bans) actually gets implemented, all of the poor people who are forced to buy an unaffordable EV will vote for populists promising to unwind the bans.

In much of the world, owning a car at all puts you above "poor people". While owning a car is sadly needed in some parts of the world to get to work or even the stores (US..), it's a massive financial burden for most people. If you care for poor people, thinking about how people can go about their daily lives without spending thousands of dollars each year on owning a car would be the way to go.

Post by serf » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 7:42 AM UTC

matsemann wrote: post #101

paganel wrote: post #81

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We do have a choice because, on paper, we do have a choice in choosing those countries’ politicians. I know I’ll never give my vote to a politician keen on banning gasoline cars. It’s sadly also true that the technocrats actually taking those decisions are a lot less directly accountable, but nothing that a second “yellow vests” movement won’t be able to fix.

Why is it so important for you to be able to pollute a bit more when commuting?

Post by _puk » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 7:44 AM UTC

mlsu wrote: post #87

baq wrote: post #49

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If the tech takes off (pun intended) every major airport will need a SMR. Which is maybe good? But politically impractical today .

With the energy efficiency attainable by traveling in the upper atmosphere, this might be the greenest possible long range transportation. God such a tantalizing solar punk dream. I would love just to hear the inside of an electric commercial airliner at altitude.

Post by pawelk » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 7:46 AM UTC

elevaet wrote: post #84

bagels wrote: post #2

"CATL has announced a new “condensed” battery with 500 Wh/kg which it says will go into mass production this year" This is a lot more credible than most of the battery stories, because CATL is already producing a ton of batteries, lending them some credibility. This is a little under 2x the density of current batteries.

> battery with 500 Wh/kg Wow, that's amazing, creeping up towards the energy density of gasoline at around 1200 Wh/kg Of course you don't have to lug around the spent gasoline after you've used it, but that's really the problem too innit?

Post by ly3xqhl8g9 » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 7:46 AM UTC

elevaet wrote: post #84

bagels wrote: post #2

"CATL has announced a new “condensed” battery with 500 Wh/kg which it says will go into mass production this year" This is a lot more credible than most of the battery stories, because CATL is already producing a ton of batteries, lending them some credibility. This is a little under 2x the density of current batteries.

> battery with 500 Wh/kg Wow, that's amazing, creeping up towards the energy density of gasoline at around 1200 Wh/kg Of course you don't have to lug around the spent gasoline after you've used it, but that's really the problem too innit?

    lead acid                  123 Wh/kg
    lithium ion                250 Wh/kg
    zinc-oxygen              1,084 Wh/kg
    sodium-oxygen            1,605 Wh/kg
    lithium-sulfur           2,600 Wh/kg
    magnesium-oxygen         6,800 Wh/kg
    aluminium-oxygen         8,100 Wh/kg
    lithium-air             11,140 Wh/kg
    gasoline                12,700 Wh/kg