John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
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John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
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Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#2That's a nice tractor you've got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it.
Can I interest you in some protection... Err, 3 year service plan?
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#3Tbh this seems not that problematic. I get that there is a lot of distasteful stuff going on around John Deere, but I think it's useful to see this on it's own which is a useful feature.
Account locks have done a huge amount to reduce phone theft, a tractor is 100x more expensive.
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#4Activation lock is an excellent and super effective mechanism for theft prevention so this seems like a good thing, but it also makes me curious about how common theft of high end tractors is?
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#5That's a nice tractor you've got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Can I interest you in some protection... Err, 3 year service plan?
Activation lock for phones was demonstrably effective at reducing theft of the products it was applied to, so _if_ theft of tractors is an issue this seems like a good thing, _if_ JD is also willing to commit to/legally required to maintain the activation service.
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#6Tbh this seems not that problematic. I get that there is a lot of distasteful stuff going on around John Deere, but I think it's useful to see this on it's own which is a useful feature. Account locks have done a huge amount to reduce phone theft, a tractor is 100x more expensive.
Yes, but phones have a reason to be online most of the time.
A vehicle should be able to be used without ever being online.
Otherwise you are at the mercy of udpates, the provider good will (and John Deere as little), network availability and so on.
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#7Tbh this seems not that problematic. I get that there is a lot of distasteful stuff going on around John Deere, but I think it's useful to see this on it's own which is a useful feature. Account locks have done a huge amount to reduce phone theft, a tractor is 100x more expensive.
What is your definition of useful?
In more lawful areas a theft can not use a stolen tractor because of police. Since Eastern Europe is not so lawful, the owner will not receive new tractor or something.
So where is a good use coming from in your understanding?
Just from the fact that the theft will receive $30k in cash instead of $100k as the tractor cost? And that is the reason to buy a tractor with a killswitch which in some another situation (used not original parts, insulted the JD team, did something against ToS) might be activated AGAINST the owner?
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#8This relates to John Deere tractors which were expropriated by Russians in the occupation of Ukraine.
What remains a problem is the thorny question of field-modifications by farmers who find out leasing rights to software isn't the same as owning an old Fordson or Massey-Furguson and hacking on the PTO.
John Deere has a 'right to repair' conversation going on in the USA but they trade internationally.
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#9That's a nice tractor you've got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Can I interest you in some protection... Err, 3 year service plan?
Activation lock for phones was demonstrably effective at reducing theft of the products it was applied to, so _if_ theft of tractors is an issue this seems like a good thing, _if_ JD is also willing to commit to/legally required to maintain the activation service.
I thought phone theft was still fairly common, although I have a hard time understanding how it's profitable.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/bathroom-tunneling-b...
Re: John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless (2022)
#10Activation lock is an excellent and super effective mechanism for theft prevention so this seems like a good thing, but it also makes me curious about how common theft of high end tractors is?
Basically never, because when somebody steals a tractor, they really do it because they need it, nobody would intentionally steal a tractor and there is no such thing as negligent or accidental theft.