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Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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This is all true…and also American drivers are legitimately aggressive toward these kind of vehicles. They have a terrible reputation, primarily because they get used a lot by people who can’t afford a car. I wish it were different, but driving a moped/Vespa on American roads is a pretty big risk.

So American drivers are aggressive towards those they think to be poorer than them? Why do you think that is? (genuinely curious)

Americans are aggressive as hell. I'm willing to bet that cyclist are maimed and murdered hourly by aggressive drivers and get away with it. I was personally ran off the road by an SUV because I apparently angered the driver, because yeah, killing me totally teaches me a lesson.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Can you explain this a little more (I dont live in the US and a preliminary search is failing me). It sounds as though the 'regulations' are preventing US consumers from having a choice in trucks, which.. kinda makes no sense from what I've seen in the wide range of oversized trucks in the US.

Larger vehicles have less stringent emissions regulations. Or something along those lines.

I would have assumed larger vehicles had more stringent emission regulations, TIL!

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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I’m Jake from the article. The trucks have all just gone through auction and have inspection reports. Mine I bought for $2k was grade 3.5 and what I’d consider pristine for a 25 year old truck. The Japanese are pretty trustworthy people to do business with, and they build great vehicles. One thing the author left out was the fascination I had with the whole process. Watching auctions, assignment to a ship, tracking i…

From a quick Google, these all seem to be cars from the 90s. Did you see any fpr sale that are less than a decade old?

These are still made and sold brand new starting at around $6000. The interest in 90's ones is due to the 25-year rule on hassle-free importing into the US.

* https://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/truck/

* https://www.suzuki.co.jp/car/carry/

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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The 25-year import rule here, which bans Americans from importing vehicles from other countries unless they're 25+ years old, is just awful for those of us who would be interested in driving small, efficient foreign cars. It would be great to live completely car-free, but absent major changes to how we plan our cities, it's just a sad reality that cars are a necessary ingredient to life in the vast majority of Americ…

> but absent major changes to how we plan our cities,

People make this excuse all the time in australia too. I have never had a problem living all over, including small country towns, without a car. Excuses are bullshit for most people.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all true…and also American drivers are legitimately aggressive toward these kind of vehicles. They have a terrible reputation, primarily because they get used a lot by people who can’t afford a car. I wish it were different, but driving a moped/Vespa on American roads is a pretty big risk.

So American drivers are aggressive towards those they think to be poorer than them? Why do you think that is? (genuinely curious)

It’s complicated. If you lose your license for drunk driving, you can still drive a moped, so there is a reputation that the person driving the moped has a bad past.

Plus, there just aren’t very many on the road so they stick out as unusual.

And there is a cultural obsession with big vehicles being tied to masculinity.

Which means that many (15%?) drivers would feel happy or even a little justified to blow past a moped on the road.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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One of the most highly upvoted Reddit posts on /r/fuckcars mocks large pickups compared to the utility of a kei truck. https://reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/sdrgv3/japanese_truck... A kei truck has about 90% the bed length of a pickup while being a lot more nimble. The lower bed is more ergonomic to load and unload too.

I know they have never ridden kei trucks. I'm a 175cm Japanese and its seat and space is obviously uncomfortable. It's fine for the purpose (carrying farm equipment and other stuff, drive max like 10km at 60km/s) but not comparable with richer trucks. Looks better to compare with 90s Hilux.

I'm a 185cm non-Japanese, and kei truck seat and space has been just fine for me. You can't recline the seats obviously, but that's not why you're in the truck

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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The vast majority of big-ass truck owners never haul anything , let alone something heavier than 1,300lbs.

The vast majority of large truck owners definitely do. 1300 pounds is nothing, and your ignorance is telling. Most people doing real work with trucks are hauling heavy duty construction trailers, or otherwise, but even if you wanted to move furniture you'd quickly exceed 1300 pounds. Even a tiny 4'x 8' U-Haul is 850 pounds empty: https://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/4x8-Cargo-Trailer-Rental/UV/

"75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz...

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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post #373

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Larger vehicles have less stringent emissions regulations. Or something along those lines.

I would have assumed larger vehicles had more stringent emission regulations, TIL!

sadly this is the consequence of green emissions standards legislation passed in 2009. thanks Obama

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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I wish the actual story was “US manufacturers announce line of small, Japanese style pickup trucks” Importing adds friction both up front and for ongoing sourcing of parts and maintenance. Just give us some options for local pickup trucks utilizing existing repair facilities! Instead everyone bitches about truck drivers having such large vehicles, when that’s all that’s on offer here!

Obama era emissions regs make it impossible for (new) small trucks to be economically feasible. The way the regulations work disproportionately punish small vehicles.

Wasn't the emission requirements raised for trucks too? How is it only affecting small vehicles?

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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I wish the actual story was “US manufacturers announce line of small, Japanese style pickup trucks” Importing adds friction both up front and for ongoing sourcing of parts and maintenance. Just give us some options for local pickup trucks utilizing existing repair facilities! Instead everyone bitches about truck drivers having such large vehicles, when that’s all that’s on offer here!

RAM sells a small truck in Mexico called RAM 700 and it’s getting popular for work purposes (specially in urban areas). I have no idea why it’s not being sold in the US market. https://www.motor1.com/news/447996/2021-ram-700-debut/

I knew it seemed familiar. It’s based on the fiat strada, a unibody based pickup that for the longest has been based on a modified fiat hatchback (fiat uno first, fiat Palio later, not sure about now, maybe the argos)

The closest us equivalent in the US may be a Hyundai Santa Cruz, which sells ok-ish, the Honda rigid line, which sells okish too, and the Ford Maverick which sells like hot cakes.

RAM, like Ford, had the reputation. A rebadged Fiat toro may do the trick.

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