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US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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I think that designing the TV layout is not the point, the point is opening yourself to new ideas and empathy, facilitating compromise

This handwaves the problem that two adults cannot reach a compromise without taking a drug. That's a personal problem not being solved, but actually being masked and brushed under the metaphorical rug. Perhaps what they need is relationship counselling? If you anesthetize me, I will protest less when you do something that would otherwise cause me pain, but you haven't taken away my ability to feel pain in the long-te…

This seems like a bad take. Are you going to tell me ibuprofen is worthless because it doesn't fix the underlying issue?

No, it's a tool. Nobody is saying you should take casual MDMA to discuss every day solutions. But it does highlight the power of allowing people to express things that they might otherwise have difficulty expressing.

And maybe you learn something about your partner in the process.

This is why it's a powerful therapeutic tool. People with PTSD can talk through their most troubled experiences and lift that weight from their shoulders. Something they may be incapable of doing in a sober context.

In that sense, it's not just "anesthetizing" as you so lovingly put it, there is therapeutic value beyond a a momentary high.

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Personally, I left tech in large part to become a therapist doing psychedelic-assisted clinical work when it becomes legal. It really does seem like it can be a potent tool for relieving great suffering. You can read a little about my story here: http://glench.com/WhyIQuitTechAndBecameATherapist/

Where are you located, and what are your academic goals before practicing? How will you respond to cease-and-desist type orders from licensing bodies who disagree with psychedelic-first therapy protocols?

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For non hyperactive types I believe there is commonly anxiety with the ADD which is alleviated by the small dose of amphetamine. Maybe MDMA helps reduce anxiety for the medium term after a dose? I don’t know if that’s been found scientifically yet. I do know MDMA clears anxiety during the high. Knowing what the lack of anxiety feels like could be very powerful paired with therapy to train a body to return to lower an…

Druggies who was on high doses of this report about "suicide tuesdays".

You’ve changed the context from medical use to recreational by druggies with irresponsibly high doses feeling like suicide afterwards. I have a sense of the point you’re attempting but it’s murky and isn’t a useful response.

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Sweet I can't wait until I can get it prescribed online by answering a questionnaire for $25 and have some shady doctor in Florida ship me a gram of molly in the mail. Sorry autocorrect I mean I can't wait for more startup innovation in the telehealth space.

Laws can be fixed to address this. ADHD laws are being changed to address the pop up online mills from during covid.

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Where are you getting this from? Movies?

That might explain this constant commentary I see from our European friends describing America with exaggerated stereotypes that bear little resemblance to reality.

I see it too. I suspect non-Americans consume a lot of US media and as a result feel sufficiently educated but they look just as silly and ignorant as Americans who think Europe is a country.

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The notion that taking away legal guns from legal gun owners will somehow reduce illegal violence is about as absurd as outlawing drugs. People who want to do illegal drugs have had zero problems acquiring them, despite near infinite resources plowed into stopping them by governments at all levels. Most people gleefully chant "The war on drugs has failed"...yet, "The war on guns" will somehow succeed?

This does stand in contrast to other nations not having the problem to the degree that we do. And... really, any other evidence. It is illegal for you to build and detonate a bomb in the city. Not shockingly, we have few incidents of this happening. Far fewer than random gun violence in places you are allowed to carry guns. Heck, just set realistic goals here. We make it illegal to drive without a seatbelt, and have…

> It is illegal for you to build and detonate a bomb in the city

It is illegal to kill someone, even without a gun, under most circumstances. Perhaps we should make it double-illegal?

> Far fewer than random gun violence in places you are allowed to carry guns

This is false. Most gun violence does not occur from legal gun owners, or in places allowing concealed or overt carry.

No, most gun violence occurs with illegal guns by people committing crimes.

There is no realistic way for you or anyone to take away all of the illegal guns in America. Therefore, any proposed gun ban solely impacts legal gun owners - which statistically are not the problem. It sure sounds good though...

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Those stats call “children” 19 years old and younger. So all those 18 and 19 year old “children” gang bangers are included in the statistic.

And? Other countries don't have this problem.

Your response was irrelevant to my point, but ok.

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No, actually. Vermont has allowed people to carry a concealed weapons without a license - literally buy a handgun, stick it in your pants - and has had a consistently lower murder rate than Washington DC which banned handguns until recently.

I meant more in comparison to other nations in Europe for example. It's difficult to compare individual states within the US because of how guns travel across state lines. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/state-gun-laws-ma...

Czech Republic has very liberal gun laws, you can get a concealed carry permit with less effort than some US states and the murder rate is 0.72 per 100,000.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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This does stand in contrast to other nations not having the problem to the degree that we do. And... really, any other evidence. It is illegal for you to build and detonate a bomb in the city. Not shockingly, we have few incidents of this happening. Far fewer than random gun violence in places you are allowed to carry guns. Heck, just set realistic goals here. We make it illegal to drive without a seatbelt, and have…

> It is illegal for you to build and detonate a bomb in the city It is illegal to kill someone, even without a gun, under most circumstances. Perhaps we should make it double-illegal? > Far fewer than random gun violence in places you are allowed to carry guns This is false. Most gun violence does not occur from legal gun owners, or in places allowing concealed or overt carry. No, most gun violence occurs with illega…

You really don't seem to be arguing in good faith. If it is already "illegal to kill someone" and we shouldn't "make it double-illegal", then we don't need vehicular manslaughter laws, either. For that matter, why have any of the regulations on safely operating anything. After all, it would be illegal for the worst case already? Why restrict sales of ingredients that can make meth? Why regulate anything?

And how is it false that we have more random gun violence than bombing? I can list, this week, more than 1 place where a legal gun owner killed someone. It is famously in the news right now. When is the last time we had a random bomb in a city here?

I haven't even proposed taking away all guns. Nobody gives a shit about most hunting weapons. Nor do they care about any properly held weapons with responsible care and protections.

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I don't think it's going to replace ADHD medication whatsoever. How would that even work?

MDMA is an amphetamine, like many ADHD medication, so it is not that much of a stretch to think that it can work. And to answer the "but you can't patent an old molecule", in fact, yes you can. Adderall is plain old amphetamine, but with a specific ratio of the D and L type, so it could be patented. The pharmaceutical industry is adept at making small tweaks to existing drugs, a supposed improvement according to thei…

I think you misunderstood something in the comment I replied to, which stated:

> Not only that, but if people can improve their condition with three treatments to the point that they no longer need their daily dose of anti-depressant or ADHD medication (or alcohol / opiates / etc. for the self-medicating cohort) then overall drug consumption will drop steeply.

The key thing here is the claim being made that three doses of MDMA will eliminate the need to take an existing ADHD medication. How would that work? It wouldn't. It's not possible.

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