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Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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Crypto AG wasn't a fake crypto company; it was a real crypto company selling a product with a CIA/BND backdoor. Proton makes open-source alternatives to big tech spyware and provides the service with a freemium model. Not sure what the comparison you're trying to make here is; they're both headquartered in Switzerland?

> Proton makes open-source alternatives to big tech spyware Can you link to the open-source repository for this password manager?

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Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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Version 8 has been plagued with various bugs with editing, scrolling, sync and stability issues on the Mac and iOS apps. It has become extremely difficult to rely on, and really the only path back to stability has been to downgrade to 1Password v7.

> Version 8 has been plagued with various bugs with editing, scrolling, sync and stability issues on the Mac and iOS apps. FWIW: I was a very vocal complainer about v8 issues and was actively searching for alternatives. However, v8 finally doesn't suck and I'm satisfied for now. I'm hoping they learned a bunch of lessons from that completely botched launch.

Hmm, maybe I’ll give it another go in a few months. I last tried it in January and immediately regretted the upgrade. Probably the most glaring issue for me was that the edit button opened a different item than what you were viewing, and resulted in multiple unintentional password overwrites.

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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As a Proton Unlimited subscriber & general supporter of the company: I don't care who it is hosting it, I don't want my password manager connected to the internet. There is cognitive dissonance when this community that distrusts IoT, call-home LLMs, URL bars that send data to Google and 5G-connected vehicles is willing to connect their most critical private data to a single, profit-seeking source-of-failure. The pass…

How do you sync your password manager between computers, out of curiosity? Most people put that file online somewhere they can copy it to other computers. Or is the ad-hoc nature of this usage a defense?

I use KeepassXC though, I'm still not terribly confident that I haven't lost data from forgetting to merge another modified database before overwriting it.

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

#45

This will probably conflict with the linux pass utility in google results, though not much to do there since it's such a generic name.

Both proton and pass are things I use every day on Linux, naming things is just hard and it only gets harder as more projects come along.

Sure, but this is for the same exact thing. It's easier to distinguish between proton the online service and proton the runtime, compared to pass the password manager and pass the password manager.

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

#46
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Version 8 has been plagued with various bugs with editing, scrolling, sync and stability issues on the Mac and iOS apps. It has become extremely difficult to rely on, and really the only path back to stability has been to downgrade to 1Password v7.

hmm which OSX / iOS versions are you on? The OS-es I mean? the latest ones? I'm on latest and it's been smooth sailing with 1P, but reading your comment, I am concerned I may be overlooking something, especially in the "sync" space as those kind of issues may creep up on you undetected

I last tried it in January and I was on the latest of everything - OSes, apps. I said this to the poster above but the straw on the camel’s back for me was when I realized hitting the edit button took me to the wrong entry and that I have unintentionally overwritten a bunch of unrelated passwords on the iOS app. Re: sync, I ran into some issues syncing between the safari extension and the iOS apps that resulted in some sort of reconciliation issue. I was already downgraded by that point though and not in the mood to investigate.

Edit: looks like someone has posted about the issue in their support community although it has devolved a bit into a hot topic. https://1password.community/discussion/138165/edit-jumps-to-...

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto AG wasn't a fake crypto company; it was a real crypto company selling a product with a CIA/BND backdoor. Proton makes open-source alternatives to big tech spyware and provides the service with a freemium model. Not sure what the comparison you're trying to make here is; they're both headquartered in Switzerland?

> Proton makes open-source alternatives to big tech spyware Can you link to the open-source repository for this password manager?

I didn't search for the password manager, here's the full list: https://github.com/orgs/ProtonMail/repositories

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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Every time I read about Proton I remember about that time CIA/BND created a fake crypto company in Switzerland because the country was perceived as neutral and used it to sell backdoored crypto equipment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG As a rule, never depend on only one company for all your opsec. Use different companies for you mail/VPN/password manager/antivirus/...

Huh, I frequently see advice online that says to use VPNs based in countries that are not one of the "fourteen eyes"/"five eyes".

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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post #48

Every time I read about Proton I remember about that time CIA/BND created a fake crypto company in Switzerland because the country was perceived as neutral and used it to sell backdoored crypto equipment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG As a rule, never depend on only one company for all your opsec. Use different companies for you mail/VPN/password manager/antivirus/...

Huh, I frequently see advice online that says to use VPNs based in countries that are not one of the "fourteen eyes"/"five eyes".

Switzerland is strongly associated with EU/Western world.

The famous/traditional Switzerland bank privacy was severely weakened at US pressure.

Re: Proton announces Proton Pass, a password manager

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As a Proton Unlimited subscriber & general supporter of the company: I don't care who it is hosting it, I don't want my password manager connected to the internet. There is cognitive dissonance when this community that distrusts IoT, call-home LLMs, URL bars that send data to Google and 5G-connected vehicles is willing to connect their most critical private data to a single, profit-seeking source-of-failure. The pass…

How do you sync your password manager between computers, out of curiosity? Most people put that file online somewhere they can copy it to other computers. Or is the ad-hoc nature of this usage a defense? I use KeepassXC though, I'm still not terribly confident that I haven't lost data from forgetting to merge another modified database before overwriting it.

I use Syncthing to sync KeepassXC db. It works flawlessly.
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