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Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Given the reputation of MDMA, I wonder if this could also help with certain types of sexual dysfunction, such as unwanted low libido.

Not sure what reputation you're talking about? It alters your capacity for empathy, not your sex drive.

actually, penis behaves slightly different on amths.

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#52

As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

I see a few issues with your argument. Just because something has underlying social factors doesn't mean that it shouldn't also be treated with drugs and therapy. The latest wave of psychedelic research is not simply pushing a prescription drug; all of the research on MDMA, psilocybin, etc. is finding that these drugs work within a clinical setting paired with therapy. Also, I wasn't able to find a source saying that PTSD is less prevalent outside of the US. I found one study [1] that says that treatment seeking is higher in high-income countries. However, this doesn't imply that the US has higher rates than Europe, for example. It could also be the case that the disorder is just as prevalent or higher in lower income populations without access to mental healthcare.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6034513/

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

Depression and anxiety are complicated. For some patients, taking medication can be transformative, especially when combined with other modalities of treatment. In my experience, you still have to put in the work, but the right medication can make it possible. If you are worried about patients being ostracized for declining medication, worry too about ostracizing patients for whom it could be really effective.

But many times the medication are so good in the short term, it is very easy to forego doing the work.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

My views have changed about this a lot over the years. I've gone from feeling that medication is largely unnecessary and that there are alternative routes to feeling that carefully directed medications can and often should be used along with alternative therapies, when applicable. Just throwing medication at a problem and calling it a day will never be useful, but seeing a lot of people find success with a mix of med…

> Fixing society is a much larger (and ultimately fluid, unsolvable) problem so I feel like whatever people can do to find contentme

But why is it unsolvable? As the parent comment noted, these issues aren't as prevalent in other cultures. So why here? Why is these so much pain that needs to be medicated?

I'm not anti-meds. I think the re-introduction of MDMA and other formerly alternative meds is a good thing as they are more effective. And there will always going to be some people who need such assistance. However, we can still ask why? Why are so many suffering so much that they need meds?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't use it in a medicinal context though. You used it recreationally and thought about a problem then arrived at a solution. There's only x ways you could have fit the TVs in, and I'm sure most people could have figured it out without taking anything, it's hardly a difficult task.

I think that designing the TV layout is not the point, the point is opening yourself to new ideas and empathy, facilitating compromise

This handwaves the problem that two adults cannot reach a compromise without taking a drug. That's a personal problem not being solved, but actually being masked and brushed under the metaphorical rug. Perhaps what they need is relationship counselling?

If you anesthetize me, I will protest less when you do something that would otherwise cause me pain, but you haven't taken away my ability to feel pain in the long-term.

If you get me high, I'll be less anxious in the short-term, but the root cause of my anxiety hasn't been solved.

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#56

Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

Back in 2018 had just gotten a surprise extra TV from my friend for Christmas. Now we had a 48in tv and a 42in tv. I wasnt sure what to do with it, I wanted 2 TVs for my 2 monitor setup(PC + Wireless mouse and keyboard). My wife cared about appearance more than anything. This was quite contentious. We happened to take MDMA for the first time(at home) and we talked about the TV situation. We figured out a way to have…

That you for sharing, it’s a very sweet story and heartwarming to hear how the two of you were able to come up with a solution where both people were satisfied.

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The social and financial cost of poor mental health of veterans is worth exploring all viable treatment pathways, including those involving MDMA and psilocybin. The remaining issue that needs to be addressed is the change of mindset of an entire industry of mental health professionals who will reach for psychoactive treatment as a last resort, after patients have exhausted all other options offered by pharmaceutical companies.

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I think we're doing just fine with Rick Doblin at MAPS. To pull a quote from Hunter S Thompson: "We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously...…

Thompson was just disillusioned. He most certainly saw everything Leary did. That’s what fed his sardonicism.

Where we’re going now is possibly stranger than Leary imagined. But definitely in line with what he hoped. Check out Andrew Gallimore’s research and writing (Okinawa Institute of Science and Tech)

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

#59

Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

Only recreational. I've taken MDMA many times in my life and -- presumably like most people who have -- can see why it's got therapeutic potential.

Honestly though, I'm not convinced about it in a clinical setting, unless there's a particularly severe issue that needs addressing.

I reckon most people are best off just buying some, getting together with a couple of very good mates on a nice day, rolling out into the country with some very good speakers, and just working it all out by yourselves. Sure-fire cure for what ails ya.

On a sensible note: don't drink alcohol with it, titrate your dose up to ~150mg, if possible get it from a Tor-enabled marketplace so you can be relatively confident in quality.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that works only to females, for males the desired substance is 2cb.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is predominately females that are effected by low sexual desire.

but not only females want to increase it ;-)
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