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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by JohnFen »

the_overseer wrote: post #583
account42 wrote: post #544

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> I can drop windows and switch to linux, but I don't think everyone could. Honestly, most people could if they really wanted to. People come up with all kinds of reasons why they can't but ultimately it just boils down to not wanting to be inconvenienced. Your other examples are a lot harder to do something about but that doesn't mean you can't do anything. Do you really need a smartphone at all? Third party data ha…

Yes. I need a smartphone. What is it with so many antiprogress people on HN? Do you really need cooked food? Like reaaaaly need it? Yes ffs... Windows with ads is a much smaller inconvenience than completely changing my work style to fit with linux lack of support of a million useful things.

You may need a smartphone. That's fair. But the majority of people really don't. The want one. That's a different thing.

> What is it with so many antiprogress people on HN?

There aren't a great deal of antiprogress people on HN. There are a bunch of people who may disagree about what counts as "progress", though.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by JohnFen »

account42 wrote: post #547
MichaelZuo wrote: post #231

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I highly doubt people buying a Windows 11 license with their own money is even 0.1% of the installed base. If they had hundreds of millions of people, or OEMs, sending them $150 USD per license, it would be unlikely for them to put in ads. As in windows 7. But when it's almost freely given away...

OEMs aren't paying license fees for preinstalled Windows (if they are doing that at all) because they want to support Microsoft but because their customers expect Windows to be installed. That means you still decide.

> That means you still decide.

Not really. I recently bought two used tower computers, and they came with Windows preinstalled. I have no use for Windows and formatted the hard drives immediately. But nonetheless, Microsoft still got some money from me in this exchange.

I didn't get to decide.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

rafark wrote: post #454
GuB-42 wrote: post #421

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File management in Windows is, I think, the best for a consumer OS, on par with Linux (sometimes better, sometime worse, depending on your distro). Not because it is good, but because Microsoft can't keep up with the others when it comes to messing up file management. iOS: you essentially don't have files, just internal storage for apps Android: you have files, but they are making it really hard to access them MacOS:…

I have to disagree. There’s nothing like column view for windows. The “address” bar in the windows file manager is very useful, though. I’ll give you that. But other than that, I find Finder better. Finder also has tabs (I don’t know if windows copied this, I haven’t used windows since windows 8).

Finder has a quasi address bar via “go to”, although it's a bit hidden

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by the_overseer »

JohnFen wrote: post #601
the_overseer wrote: post #583

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Yes. I need a smartphone. What is it with so many antiprogress people on HN? Do you really need cooked food? Like reaaaaly need it? Yes ffs... Windows with ads is a much smaller inconvenience than completely changing my work style to fit with linux lack of support of a million useful things.

You may need a smartphone. That's fair. But the majority of people really don't. The want one. That's a different thing. > What is it with so many antiprogress people on HN? There aren't a great deal of antiprogress people on HN. There are a bunch of people who may disagree about what counts as "progress", though.

Most people need a smartphone at least for google maps. Do you really believe people will go back to using paper maps for orientation? Or fixed phones?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by nullfield »

idle_zealot wrote: post #304
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #223

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I've been using linux as my primary desktop for the past 20 years. Is it perfect? No, but it's damned powerful for development, fast, and fully customizable. Ironically, my love of linux on the desktop has also kept me gaming on console. I've strongly considered building a pc and the thought of having to use windows (proton has come a long way, but a lot of games I'd like to play aren't supported) is enough to give m…

Yeah, dual booting for gaming is a pain. That's why I do most of my gaming in a Windows 10 VM these days. I pass through a GPU and use looking glass for I/O and it's great! I just have Windows living on one of my virtual desktops and can instantly switch between games and host applications.

I haven’t been able to find good guides on doing GPU pass through sanely. Suggestions?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by idle_zealot »

nullfield wrote: post #605
idle_zealot wrote: post #304

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Yeah, dual booting for gaming is a pain. That's why I do most of my gaming in a Windows 10 VM these days. I pass through a GPU and use looking glass for I/O and it's great! I just have Windows living on one of my virtual desktops and can instantly switch between games and host applications.

I haven’t been able to find good guides on doing GPU pass through sanely. Suggestions?

I'm not sure I'd describe the process as "sane", but I basically did as described in this guide[0], followed by following the setup guide for Looking Glass[1].

[0](https://github.com/vanities/GPU-Passthrough-Arch-Linux-to-Wi...) [1](https://looking-glass.io/docs/B6/install/)

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by idle_zealot »

pph wrote: post #582
idle_zealot wrote: post #304

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Yeah, dual booting for gaming is a pain. That's why I do most of my gaming in a Windows 10 VM these days. I pass through a GPU and use looking glass for I/O and it's great! I just have Windows living on one of my virtual desktops and can instantly switch between games and host applications.

The only thing holding me back from doing that is that anti-cheat and (iirc) also nvidia not playing nicely when used in VMs..

I suppose I am fortunate that I don't have any desire to play things like online shooters. I can report that it runs FFXIV perfectly through.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by YellOh »

the_overseer wrote: post #604
JohnFen wrote: post #601

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You may need a smartphone. That's fair. But the majority of people really don't. The want one. That's a different thing. > What is it with so many antiprogress people on HN? There aren't a great deal of antiprogress people on HN. There are a bunch of people who may disagree about what counts as "progress", though.

Most people need a smartphone at least for google maps. Do you really believe people will go back to using paper maps for orientation? Or fixed phones?

Paper maps aren't that hard to get. Whether people will use them has no bearing on whether people can, and therefore they want the convenience of smartphones but only need verbal/paper directions when trying to get somewhere.

It's hard to say something is a "need" if it has existed for only 18 years and still has viable alternatives. That doesn't mean it should automatically be discarded, but it's disingenuous to act like it's actually necessary.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by dlivingston »

soraminazuki wrote: post #523
msla wrote: post #469

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It doesn't matter how much you paid: You aren't the customer, you're the product.

There's a saying in Japanese that precisely describes this situation: 鴨が葱を背負ってくる. The literal translation is "a duck approaches you with a leek on its back." It refers to good luck brought by someone waiting to be exploited. Paying money for a product that works against you is exactly this.

That description sounds very similar to the Farfetch'd Pokemon [0]. Was that the original influence?

[0]: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Farfetch%27d_(Pok%C3...

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by rewgs »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #442
rewgs wrote: post #343

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I know this will never happen, but I wish that they would go even a step further than that: I wish they would admit that, for better or worse, Linux is the desktop to corral around. A proprietary OS for BYO hardware is very simply a Bad Idea, both in terms of developers (because you're at the mercy of the OS developer's documentation only) and in terms of users (because software will always theoretically be more stab…

>> I'd love to see them build a Linux distro that deeply interops with their services (i.e. their real money-makers) that they release for free. >> This new "Windows" would be the new OS that comes pre-installed on laptops by HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. It could look essentially the same -- perhaps their desktop environment could be called Glass (get it?) -- and it could still run win32 apps via Wine (which they would be…

Because ChromeOS is nowhere near as useful as "real Linux."
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