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Heavier people should pay more to fly

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Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you can bring food and drinks onto planes. There may be limits to what you can bring before security, but anything after the security line is fair game.

After security, of course. As long as they earn money on you buying expensive unhealthy food... But they don't like you bringing food through security, AFAIK. Drinks are completely forbidden, even plain water, except for infants.

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Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

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post #8

I've been saying this for awhile, not because of fuel prices but because of comfort. It is rude for an overweight person to spill into adjacent seats. Just like it is rude for overweight people to drive up the cost of health care because they refuse to take care of their own bodies. It's a touchy subject, but I think we have a lot to gain as a society by telling people it's not OK to be lazy and fat, instead of silen…

Do you have any evidence for the extraordinary claim that one fat American causes increased health care costs for a skinny American. Take into account overall life expectancy, variable insurance rates, and fit people that fall off mountains and get hurt playing sports.

Yes, google "obesity health care costs" and read the first 10 or so articles. PBS did a special on it as well.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#53
post #36
post #8

I've been saying this for awhile, not because of fuel prices but because of comfort. It is rude for an overweight person to spill into adjacent seats. Just like it is rude for overweight people to drive up the cost of health care because they refuse to take care of their own bodies. It's a touchy subject, but I think we have a lot to gain as a society by telling people it's not OK to be lazy and fat, instead of silen…

I'm very overweight, but not so much that I spill over on a plane seat - yeah, it annoys me when sat next to someone like that. As to health care, as a smoker in the UK I already contribute much more to the NHS through tobacco taxes than an average smoker will cost in extra health care issues - and I would fully support unhealthy foods being taxed much more heavily. That said, where do you draw the line? It's not OK…

Additionally, smokers will, on average, die sooner and cost less in pensions. [1] [2] (The study is kind of.. morbid in it's conclusions, and even stranger is that the tobacco industry endorsed it.) I've been looking for a similar study on overweight, but couldn't find any as of now.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Finance_Balance_of_Smoki...

[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20011105203845/http://tobaccofree...

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#54

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Whether the weight comes from obesity or from simple body size has no effect on the cost-per-kg to transport someone by air. If you're 6'5'', you're transporting more mass - it's only fair to pay more, because it costs more to move you.

As someone who is 6'8", 310lbs and spent 12 hours flying last week, I would have to strongly disagree. Until airlines provide a means of adjusting available room to compensate for height, its not appropriate to charge taller people more at all.

They do already, it's called first class and business class. The seats cost more and you get more room.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#55
post #8

I've been saying this for awhile, not because of fuel prices but because of comfort. It is rude for an overweight person to spill into adjacent seats. Just like it is rude for overweight people to drive up the cost of health care because they refuse to take care of their own bodies. It's a touchy subject, but I think we have a lot to gain as a society by telling people it's not OK to be lazy and fat, instead of silen…

No one is buying that the 33.8% of obese Americans fall into that category - it's a choice for them I buy that many or most or nearly all obese Americans have made lifestyle choices you find repugnant, but I don’t buy that they all do. And for that reason, I do not go around making blanket statements like “It is rude for overweight people to drive up the cost of health care because they refuse to take care of their o…

In one statement, you say that not all people make a choice about their bodies and in the next you say that people are sometimes sedentary because they work so hard in their field. Well - that's the choice. They choose to spend all of their time working and none of their time exercising.

Working hard at your job is great, but a lot of that is habit and it is easier to do every day than breaking that habit and introducing an exercise routine. The definition of being lazy, to me, is taking the easy way out, thus I personally find this behavior lazy.

Discrimination? Stereotyping? Bias? Yes, yes and yes. I would definitely prefer a healthy person to a non-healthy person in any business or social endeavor. (Unless it was a hot dog eating contest.) Yes, I stereotype obese people to be lazy, over-eaters, inactive and sedentary. I don't see anything wrong with this. I prefer to hold people accountable for their actions. If this upsets them, they can either lose weight or bear my bias. The only win-win is for them to lose weight.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#56
post #12

I'm 6'5", 275lbs. Fine, charge me more. But you better give me a seat that is reasonable for my body size. The width and leg room of coach seats today is completely absurd! Part of the problem is that there is too big of a gap between coach and first. It's like having to choose between a Smart Car and an Escalade, when really all I need is a mid-priced sedan.

It would be an interesting proposition. Wider seats for larger people who pay more.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#57
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you can bring food and drinks onto planes. There may be limits to what you can bring before security, but anything after the security line is fair game.

After security, of course. As long as they earn money on you buying expensive unhealthy food... But they don't like you bringing food through security, AFAIK. Drinks are completely forbidden, even plain water, except for infants.

I've brought sandwiches, beef jerky, nuts, fruit, etc. through security. Drinks never work.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#58
post #3

Ultimately while the principle is good - and, as an overweight person, I'd have no problem paying more if it was done fairly - no airline would ever introduce this fairly. Once they've raised the price for fatter people, why, as a business, would they lower the price for thinner people to balance it out? Why not just take more profit? Think back to when smoking was banned on most airlines, the airlines didn't think "…

You just charge per seat. People large enough, if they have to pay more, should get two seats. Skinny people still have to have 1 whole seat.

Re: Heavier people should pay more to fly

#59
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation in an airport holding lounge once with some random guy, as I was annoyed that I had personally lost weight, but paid extra because my bags were a kilo too much. He told me that in one of the Indonesian countries, you simply stand on a scale with your bag, and that's how they calculated your weight allowance, and if you were over or not. I don't know the truth of it, but I see no reason to not sim…

This is what I've been saying for a long time. It makes no difference if the weight is in the bag or in the seat (and as a small guy with generally large bags, this is obviously a self-serving argument.)

This is a reply to both of you:

Baggage handling type people don't have to haul you around and stow you beneath the plane. I was recently bitten by an overweight bag, and subsequently broke it into a second carry-on in a return flight. 25$ for extra bag, 100$ for overweight...

Anyways, what I was traveling with was unreasonably heavy, and would be a hassle to toss into the stowage, probably be a greater burden/wear on the conveyors etc.

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