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The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by swalling »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #183
swalling wrote: post #182

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We have all seen one, it’s called YouTube. Jay Leno hit the nail on the head “this doesn’t look anything like a pickup truck” which is exactly what the problem was with the Aztek. Crossovers are a huge market but the totally ridiculous body style was a flop. If Tesla priced this more like a Raptor, in order to market it as a futuristic status car, it might work. That’s not what they’re doing. Rivian is eating their l…

If you're basing your criticism on looks, there are two responses: 1. it's an opinion, and there are a substantial number of people who like the cybertruck 2. a truck is a functional vehicle, and functionality is the primary consideration. Lots of people think the Ram is the best looking truck, but it's substantially outsold by F-150 & GM.

Unless it massively changes between now and launch (which is possible) Tesla is only going to outperform traditional trucks on one functional vector, which is speed and acceleration, but they don't outperform other EVs on that front. The Ford F-150 Lightning, Hummer EV, and Rivian's truck are all among the most powerful EVs you can buy. On other functional vectors like reliability and towing capacity they either don't really matter or Tesla won't win.

Rivian's truck in particular has solidly beaten them to market with a highly functional vehicle that has a ton of incredible design details and has some of the highest driver satisfaction ratings of any new car models on the market. They have already captured a significant chunk of the market in luxury SUV and truck EVs, also partially due to the fact that a lot of rich liberals don't want to be associated with Elon Musk in any way now, and Tesla has moved downmarket pretty hard.

Separately, a big part of the reason Ford massively outsells Dodge or other brands is because Ford is particularly loved by fleet buyers. Expect them to continue to do so with the Lightning.

So that leaves the Cybertruck to pin its whole hopes on style/appearance, selling to the same type of bros that might buy a Ford Raptor or higher end Tacoma/Tundra model at similar price points. Not exactly a move poised to win the EV truck market overall, given how polarizing the design is.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by [deleted] »

slashdev wrote: post #90
klyrs wrote: post #54

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I've owned cars for almost 30 years and I have never once "maintained" my paint. Where do you live that this is a thing?

I envy you. My new car is only months old and I’m already having to pay to pop out dents and touch up paint. Careless people parking next to me.

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Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by nashashmi »

dingosity wrote: post #138
nashashmi wrote: post #44

This is incredibly messed up. If I'm a shareholder with a conscience against alcohol and beer, this goes against every nerve in my body. It's like Tesla announcing hemp CBD smoke vapor. Since when did I agree to become a drug dealer? Or a black water vendor?

Since you gave money to Elon Musk.

Buying shares is not giving him money. Buying Tesla is like giving him money.

Tesla fanboys all over this.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by dingosity »

nashashmi wrote: post #193
dingosity wrote: post #138

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Since you gave money to Elon Musk.

Buying shares is not giving him money. Buying Tesla is like giving him money. Tesla fanboys all over this.

It is technically equivalent because if you buy shares you increase the value of an elastic commodity that directly benefits the company when they issue more shares (or offer for sale shares which have been authorized but unissued.)

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by dingosity »

slashdev wrote: post #161
dingosity wrote: post #128

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It's the other people. It's always the other people.

I think you’re being sarcastic. But yes.

I probably should have noted it. It's a safe assumption that any comment I make about Tesla is at least somewhat sarcastic.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by dingosity »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #150
dingosity wrote: post #127

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Why do you think they're committed to a release?

I don't know much about their status but other people in this thread suggest their factory is tooled up and they are close to release, so it might be a bad time to cancel everything and go back to the drawing board. Then they would have no truck for another 5 years.

But Mr. Musk is playing 11th dimensional chess that the rest of us are incapable of understanding. But more seriously, there are reasons they didn't start on it until now, maybe those reasons will persist and they'll get past the sunk cost fallacy and just decide to cancel it.

Even then, what's the chance that Tesla will remember who gave them a $99 deposit. SpaceX completely forgot about how I gave them $599 for a downlink terminal. I had to email them scans of my credit card bills to convince them to look for their records of the transaction so they could refund the charge on my credit card. (And even then, they only refunded $500 or the $599 I spent.)

But I'm grousing about SpaceX, I'm sure Tesla has a better AR/AP/CS system.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

rimunroe wrote: post #185
bottlepalm wrote: post #145

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Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. Starlink has global availability right now though a laser backed network. The only place you can’t get it are overloaded cells and countries that have not given landing rights. I’m sorry for your anecdotal issue, but the system has over a million users so I think it’s fine. Starships first use will be to put up the 2nd gen network. It’s funny how peopl…

> Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a crowdfunding platform years ago. They constantly show great progress being made ("we finally have a factory lined up", "here's the final version of the legs", "we've begun mass production"). It feels like every one of these emails has a message about how they're g…

That's a great example because 90% of my driving is done by FSD beta. Clearly not vaporware.

Tesla has released four car models and a semi truck, all delayed, all not vaporware. Yet you choose to relate CyberTruck to some crowdfunding project.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

gamblor956 wrote: post #170
bottlepalm wrote: post #107

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We will see. Current strategy is demand is a function of price. Not marketing. They will change price continually to meet the production output of the factory. Between no marketing, no dealers, and making their own batteries - it’s very hard to compete. CyberTruck looks cold, angry, mean - there’s more than enough truck drivers with the matching personality to meet the supply.

I agree, CyberTruck has no chance of competing with the Lightning or the Rivian. It's considered a joke by people who actually own trucks, and the very "features" that Elon thinks makes it cool are precisely what make it DOA for people actually looking for an EV pickup. The only type of people who would consider buying a CyberTruck are the ones who also went all in on Google Glass.

So many people who own trucks want one. I know more than a few myself. A million preorders says you're wrong.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

pwinnski wrote: post #167
bottlepalm wrote: post #82

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I guess you have to use your own common sense to determine if a product is moving forward or not. DNF is a great example of something that obviously was not moving forward. CyberTruck obviously is.

And yet Duke Nukem Forever has shipped, and Cybertruck has not. So right now, today, at this moment, DNF is not vaporware, and Cybertruck is. This is true regardless of how one feels about it.

I can't hear you over a production line for it being built

https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/comments/12s8gwa/cybertr...

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

operatingthetan wrote: post #168
bottlepalm wrote: post #165

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Thunderfoot is a joke who feeds off haters like you. Half his critism is about products still in development. Totally ignoring how Tesla is pushing producing 2 million cars this year and SpaceX is launching more to orbit than the rest of the world combined. But yea focus on the stuff in dev as if that negates the rest of the real progress. Trivializing the significance or landing full size boosting from orbital veloc…

>Thunderfoot is a joke who feeds off haters like you. >You must be jealous of real accomplishments. Behave.

Look at this pretend production line that they are building

https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/comments/12s8gwa/cybertr...

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