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Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by frostburg »

psychphysic wrote: post #21

It's quite hard for me to judge this topic because I am so thoroughly convinced that social media is toxic for mental health. I think unfortunately it has become pervasive enough that you can't avoid experiencing it's toxic influence. There has been a complete loss in any interest in meeting a middle ground and like the use of stocks in medieval times the concept of cancellation is much more power than any reality. T…

I also agree that this is probably true, but it doesn't mean that his arguments are good.

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by ThomPete »

etrautmann wrote: post #24
ThomPete wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is now climate catastrophism. It's unfortunately many times more doomer today than ever. And while climate itself is not energizing, "doing something about it to save the world' is because it's simple even if it's in-effective. A phenomena like Greta Thunberg wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for that. And wind and solar and tesla and other avenue that doesn't really do anything other than let us waste…

Sorry what? How do renewable energy sources not do anything? The problem is multifaceted abs requires advances in many areas. A thousand partial solutions. Absolutism and cynicism aren’t helpful.

Wind and solar the two darlings of climate catastrophists is less than 3% of the worlds energy consumption and they will not be able to help getting the 3 billion people who uses less energy than a US fridge per year into the modern era.

Fossile fuels is not going anywhere as it's used for the 4 pillars of modern society, steel, fertilizers, concrete and plastic for which there is no realistic alternative.

Wind and solar isn't advances, they are regressive technologies that themselves require fossile fuel to even become a reality and still keeps us with our intermittency issues.

Keep in mind that only 20% of a countrys energy consumption is electricity.

The only big breakthroughs that matter with energy and can work at scale would be things like fusion and molten salt generators.

Making our energy grid more and more fragile by pushing wind and solar is what isn't helpful.

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by owisd »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #16

> girls who spend more than 4 hours a day on social media have two to three times the rate of depression as girls who spend an hour or less. Not that it proves anything, but the converse argument, that depressed girls spend more time on social media or online in general, should also be examined. If the data could support this thesis to a similar degree, there is no conclusive statement about social media really induc…

If the converse were true it wouldn't explain the rise in depression.

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by ThomPete »

jackmott42 wrote: post #33
ThomPete wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is now climate catastrophism. It's unfortunately many times more doomer today than ever. And while climate itself is not energizing, "doing something about it to save the world' is because it's simple even if it's in-effective. A phenomena like Greta Thunberg wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for that. And wind and solar and tesla and other avenue that doesn't really do anything other than let us waste…

Figure heads for causes like Greta aren't a new thing, sir.

agree, whats your point?

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by amelius »

bigbacaloa wrote: post #23
raxxorraxor wrote: post #16

> girls who spend more than 4 hours a day on social media have two to three times the rate of depression as girls who spend an hour or less. Not that it proves anything, but the converse argument, that depressed girls spend more time on social media or online in general, should also be examined. If the data could support this thesis to a similar degree, there is no conclusive statement about social media really induc…

The converse argument is far more plausible.

It's still just guessing. Can we please go from "plausible" to "we studied this"?

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by cmilton »

frostburg wrote: post #26
spacephysics wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Anti” coddling to me is rejecting the notion of participation trophies, emphasizing in a healthy way losing and winning. Pushing through discomfort and, god forbid, seeking out discomfort. Being OK and perhaps wanting discomfort. Knowing that discomfort is 9/10 a healthy stress that builds you. Not playing the victim. Taking responsibility for your circumstances, no matter how shit of a hand you were dealt. Yeah it…

Your model of a nuclear "stable household" is very recent, very untested compared to standard practice during most of human history and societes. Putting is on a pedestal without any quantitative evidence isn't wise.

What do you think it is?

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by thuridas »

What about monitoring variable levels of social media consumption with the individual levels of depression / anxiety.

I have periods of higher and lower social media usage. And I have noticed that there is a strong inverse correlation with my mental health.

My personal experience is just anecdotal evidence but a study with time variation may eliminate a lot of individual factors ( e.g people with depressing nature using more social media) but leave open the question if depression causes the increase of social media or is there other way around. ( I think thant both)

Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by kuschku »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #39
raxxorraxor wrote: post #16

> girls who spend more than 4 hours a day on social media have two to three times the rate of depression as girls who spend an hour or less. Not that it proves anything, but the converse argument, that depressed girls spend more time on social media or online in general, should also be examined. If the data could support this thesis to a similar degree, there is no conclusive statement about social media really induc…

Something has to be behind the seemingly coordinated rise in depression among children globally, that's the leading indicator he's using to assess the problem. His argument is that it can't be anything other than social media. You're making the case in the micro scale: what is one person's relationship with depression and social media, and he's arguing in the macro scale. Something has caused depression to spike in c…

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Re: Why some researchers think I’m wrong about social media and mental illness

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Post by somedude895 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #16

> girls who spend more than 4 hours a day on social media have two to three times the rate of depression as girls who spend an hour or less. Not that it proves anything, but the converse argument, that depressed girls spend more time on social media or online in general, should also be examined. If the data could support this thesis to a similar degree, there is no conclusive statement about social media really induc…

The longitudinal factor is essential in this though. Teen mental health issues skyrocketed since 2012. That's really the whole point of his rebuttal of Proposition 1.
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