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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by cduzz »

justinclift wrote: post #526
cduzz wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft clearly has zero interest in the idiots who buy retail licenses, especially home licenses. They'll cash your check, but they're not going to pay any attention to your opinions. You're trapped in their ecosystem and they have no reason to pay attention to your desires. They're going to sell your eyeballs to as many advertisers as possible and there's nothing you can do about it.

> ... and there's nothing you can do about it. Except - like with the car examples above - eventually customers get pissed off or frustrated enough to switch to a different OS (or car manufacturer). Thus Apple and Linux distro's picking up a lot of ex-windows users. KDE plays well to this audience. :)

The executive in charge of that strategy, by then, will have moved on to Google.

Also, likely microsoft has realized there's zero long term revenue in operating systems -- you'll have been forced to move all your data to their Office 365 environment and will be paying them rent regardless of if you use a windows or a mac or a linux or an oracle desktop.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by biofox »

rafark wrote: post #441
pbz wrote: post #167

These kinds of changes just make the OS look cheap (like a bazaar of sorts). They're visually ugly, but easily ignored (I rarely open the start menu). What I'm more concerned / annoyed by is the trend of Windows fighting with you. For example, try to disable the real-time antivirus protection. The UI makes it look like it's off, but then it turns back on by itself. Then you go to group policy to make it explicit that…

“These kinds of changes just make the OS look cheap“ Windows has never been an elegant OS.

I have to disagree slightly. The default for Windows 98 had a consistent aesthetic, consistent short-cuts across applications, and a sensible menu system (even if things were janky on the backend).

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

justinclift wrote: post #526
cduzz wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft clearly has zero interest in the idiots who buy retail licenses, especially home licenses. They'll cash your check, but they're not going to pay any attention to your opinions. You're trapped in their ecosystem and they have no reason to pay attention to your desires. They're going to sell your eyeballs to as many advertisers as possible and there's nothing you can do about it.

> ... and there's nothing you can do about it. Except - like with the car examples above - eventually customers get pissed off or frustrated enough to switch to a different OS (or car manufacturer). Thus Apple and Linux distro's picking up a lot of ex-windows users. KDE plays well to this audience. :)

I think valve did there part to remove one large reason to stay on windows.

I think if steam decks gets a good linux desktop, similar to windows in look and feel, that can be run on a desktop, parallel to windows. Its over, very suddenly, very brutal.

And here it is: https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download?ver=steamdec...

A challenger appears. He is unburdened by the need to advertise. Its super effective.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by [deleted] »

bodge5000 wrote: post #497
Kye wrote: post #249

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I need Serif (Affinity Suite), Ableton, Arturia, and Native Instruments to port everything to Linux or at least make it equally functional in Wine first. I could understand going to the trouble if I had anything remotely like the issues people say they have with Windows, but it's been an absolute breeze for me. Always has been. The few ad-ish things I see were trivial to remove. Staying on a local account was effortl…

I know its probably not what you're looking for, but Bitwig has a similar workflow to Ableton, and has first class Linux support. A few years ago I was in a similar situation, but decided in the end to not allow myself to be tethered to an operating system, and did away with all the software I couldn't use elsewhere.

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by wetpaws »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #21
zeroego wrote: post #16

I use Ubuntu for work, but my gaming rig runs windows. I went through all of the applications I use on my windows pc the other day and they're all available on linux now. With proton getting as good as it is, app availability on linux, and with the annoying occasional ads coming through my windows os, I'm starting to think I won't upgrade to windows 11 when 10 stops being supported.

I had to use Ubuntu at work and the experience made me hate it to the core. My experience: Gnome it ships with is too opinionated with no basic configuration options without installing 200 extensions which may or may not work, no option to turn off the touchpad when an external mouse is pugged in, no hibernate option because z-ram or something, no fractional scaling because "pixels aren't fractional" to quote Gnome d…

Just switch to KDE, its night and day. Gnome is antiquated and borderline user hostile.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by giancarlostoro »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #223
giancarlostoro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went ahead and installed Linux the moment I realized I had to go through a ton of hoops in order to install Windows 11 offline. I'm only ever going to use Windows for work machines that someone else is paying me to use, and even then, I might just start asking for a Mac instead. I'm over this awful OS nonsense they're doing to Windows. Whoever is in charge of the OS clearly does not care. If I were manning the ship…

I've been using linux as my primary desktop for the past 20 years. Is it perfect? No, but it's damned powerful for development, fast, and fully customizable. Ironically, my love of linux on the desktop has also kept me gaming on console. I've strongly considered building a pc and the thought of having to use windows (proton has come a long way, but a lot of games I'd like to play aren't supported) is enough to give m…

I've used Linux on and off for a few years, but at my former employer, Ubuntu was all we used, so I got used to just using it for longer than I ever did. I used to install it on dying laptops to give them new life. I considered the laptop end of life as soon as all the modern distros stopped working properly or driver support died though. I don't want to fight to make basic things work, that's my OS' job, not mine.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by AndroidKitKat »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #271
spicyusername wrote: post #10

The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. Windows has become inferior to Linux in every other way. More upgrade headaches, worse resource utilization, worse desktop environment, more crashes, data collection, and now embedded ads. These technology companies have really demonstrated over the past few decades that they are unable to maintain reliable pr…

If it weren't for games, I'd swap over too. But having to swap between either physical computers or dual-boot is just asking too much for me. I like my convenience. Having one OS that does whatever I want is good. Linux is getting closer with stuff like WINE, but I play too much obscure, old, heavily modded, or just games that have issues as it is - and don't want to add the OS into the mix. I like not having to worr…

No Jagex Launcher on Linux really kills it for me. I play RuneScape 3 primarily (but I did just start an OSRS Ironman to have something to do while I play on my RS3 Iron), and there being seemingly no easy way to have all my Jagex account characters on Linux is keeping me on Windows. I really hope that the RS3 community finds a way to get around that.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

wetpaws wrote: post #565
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to use Ubuntu at work and the experience made me hate it to the core. My experience: Gnome it ships with is too opinionated with no basic configuration options without installing 200 extensions which may or may not work, no option to turn off the touchpad when an external mouse is pugged in, no hibernate option because z-ram or something, no fractional scaling because "pixels aren't fractional" to quote Gnome d…

Just switch to KDE, its night and day. Gnome is antiquated and borderline user hostile.

Yeah I like KDE more, but switching to KDE doesn't fix the lack of out of the box HW acceleration in browser for video playback. It doesn't fix the lack of hibernate support. It doesn't fix the Wayland/X11 compromises. It doesn't fix the battery life. It doesn't fix the touchpad gestures(Gnome is better here). It doesn't (fully) fix fractional scaling (still better than Gnome but far from the perfection of Windows). And it's still janky/buggy from time to time, once you get over the honeymoon period, compared to the stability of the Windows DE.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

spicyusername wrote: post #10

The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. Windows has become inferior to Linux in every other way. More upgrade headaches, worse resource utilization, worse desktop environment, more crashes, data collection, and now embedded ads. These technology companies have really demonstrated over the past few decades that they are unable to maintain reliable pr…

There’s basically nothing on steam that you can’t play on linux now. It’s just the few games with their own specific anti-cheat

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by mrburnssama »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #223
giancarlostoro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went ahead and installed Linux the moment I realized I had to go through a ton of hoops in order to install Windows 11 offline. I'm only ever going to use Windows for work machines that someone else is paying me to use, and even then, I might just start asking for a Mac instead. I'm over this awful OS nonsense they're doing to Windows. Whoever is in charge of the OS clearly does not care. If I were manning the ship…

I've been using linux as my primary desktop for the past 20 years. Is it perfect? No, but it's damned powerful for development, fast, and fully customizable. Ironically, my love of linux on the desktop has also kept me gaming on console. I've strongly considered building a pc and the thought of having to use windows (proton has come a long way, but a lot of games I'd like to play aren't supported) is enough to give m…

just curious which games those are that are not supported? I recently switch to linux from windows and havn't found a single one I couldn't play. My steam list is 167/171 supported and have been thoroughly impressed with how far linux gaming as come.
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