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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by sizzle »

dexterdog wrote: post #491
sizzle wrote: post #480

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Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices. iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back bef…

Get a pixel and put graphene on it.

I’ll look flashing it on an older device to test it out. Thanks for turn recommendation. Checking it out on xda.

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Post by GeekyBear »

rickdeckard wrote: post #567
GeekyBear wrote: post #564

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You remain completely unconvincing on this topic, and relying on straw man arguments isn't helping.

Haha I didn't even attempt to convince you. You keep circling around a "good company is good, bad company is bad" narrative. You condemn the collection of data for the purpose of targeted advertising, because that's "spying". You don't care if Apple is also doing advertising, because it's the collection of data which is problematic. I just asked how Apple is expected to sell targeted ads any differently than collecti…

> You made it very clear that there is no answer.

I've given many examples of the difference between a first party business relationship and the sorts of worldwide spying that Facebook and Google have been engaging in.

>How is a first party business relationship with your own customer different than buying a copy of people's credit card transaction data, spying on receipts emailed by other businesses, turning on location tracking by default, paying children to give root access to their device (Onavo), setting up user tracking on a huge swath of websites (Google Analytics, Facebook Like Button), and the other sorts relentless spying tactics that we have seen from companies with a surveillance capitalism business model?

As I've pointed out previously, this isn't the same thing as Amazon having a record of things I've purchased from Amazon.

>I didn't even attempt to convince you

You haven't convinced anyone of your favorite straw man.

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Post by dahwolf »

Pfhortune wrote: post #521
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The only risk I see is their progressive views at times being a little too progressive, leading to "safetyism" and a too restrictive policy on what can go in the store and what cannot, or this somehow affecting which app get prime real estate, whilst others are burried. Screw it, I might as well spit it out: it should not be a woke app store.

What is woke? Can you quantify it?

Yes, it's anything I dislike.

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Post by roamerz »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #558
roamerz wrote: post #536

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> There is going to be some competition there from now on. there already is competition- it’s called Android based phones. This is more akin the government telling Walmart they have to freely give shelf space away to anyone and everyone to sell anything they want.

> there already is competition- it’s called Android based phones. The law is about digital store and aims at stopping the close tie between platform and stores. Android is completely irrelevant here. > This is more akin the government telling Walmart they have to freely give shelf space away to anyone and everyone to sell anything they want. No, it's akin to the government telling a city they can't mandate than its i…

> I don't understand why so many act as Apple apologists and feel the need to justify the current situation.

Who’s acting as an apologist? I prefer it the way it is. It’s not like you don’t have a choice. If you want a device that offers the ability to sideload go buy an Android. I appreciate the fact that if anyone wants to offer an app on IOS they MUST go through the official app store to do so. Lets say for instance an app that I must have (example only) Facebook Messenger. Now that they (Facebook) can sideload they stop offering it in the app store. Now anyone that really needs that app either must sideload it or not have it. You think Facebook is going to honor all of the good privacy controls that IOS currently enforces?

That is a huge disservice to those that like the walled garden. It forces companies that want a presence on IOS to comply.

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Post by arcticbull »

trarmp wrote: post #570
arcticbull wrote: post #515

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That can't make the numbers look better, after all, Apple gets 30% of App Store sales, while Google takes the cut of Android apps sold through the Play store. And that gets even worse when you see Apple gets 67% of all app revenues too. [1] [1] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/

Then just say that in the first place. I don't disagree that Apple users are much more likely to pay for software than Android users, but you don't need hardware sales to make that point.

I can see it your way. Point taken.

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Post by ianlevesque »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #462
nightski wrote: post #113

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I don't personally know a single person outside of developers that have side loaded apps on Android. Maybe I am an anomaly, but it just seems very rare.

My mom got tricked into installing an "emoji pack" that would make her phone give her constant notifications for a gambling website. She doesn't know she sideloaded an app, but that's what happened.

On Android you have to download the app, open it, navigate a dialog with no Next or OK buttons (it requires you to toggle on a permission switch for the application you are using out of a list of applications) and then go back and try again, then click install. If you are doing all of that, you are very determined to install that malware. I don't think protecting against that is worth denying everyone else the freedom to use their device as they see fit.

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Post by candiodari »

scarface74 wrote: post #149
musictubes wrote: post #136

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As far as I can tell the main use case for side loading that people are making inevitably boils down to piracy. Emulators, torrents, cracked software. 95% of the talk about “freedom” on Android revolves around Vanced and other kinds of piracy. I’m glad to see people talking about alternative browsers for PWAs (yuck) and open source projects but I am thoroughly cynical about the motivations of the vast majority of peo…

> I worry that this ability to pirate like you can on Android will result in degradation in app quality in the App Store. Is it possible for quality on the App Store to get any lower? 80% of App Store revenue comes from Pay to Win games (according to the Epic trial). Most of the other apps monetize through subscriptions for things like streaming services or don’t charge money at all.

That brings me to another thing I'd like to add. Over the years I've paid for quite a few apps on the app store that PREDATED most of the "monetization" of the app store. And the social shit and the login and account and ... shit that games have now.

Essentially all of these have disappeared from "my apps" and I can't install them anymore. I want them back.

And now this emulator comes out with the super monkey ball that my dad bought for me on my initial ipod (not ipad, pod). I want that game back on my current ios devices, and that one, with essentially no interruptions to the gameplay, not the current shittified version.

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Post by scarface74 »

candiodari wrote: post #578
scarface74 wrote: post #149

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> I worry that this ability to pirate like you can on Android will result in degradation in app quality in the App Store. Is it possible for quality on the App Store to get any lower? 80% of App Store revenue comes from Pay to Win games (according to the Epic trial). Most of the other apps monetize through subscriptions for things like streaming services or don’t charge money at all.

That brings me to another thing I'd like to add. Over the years I've paid for quite a few apps on the app store that PREDATED most of the "monetization" of the app store. And the social shit and the login and account and ... shit that games have now. Essentially all of these have disappeared from "my apps" and I can't install them anymore. I want them back. And now this emulator comes out with the super monkey ball t…

The same happen with the original Tetris and Angry Birds. They did bring Angry Birds back as Angry Birds Classic.

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Post by kroltan »

mschuster91 wrote: post #362
kroltan wrote: post #316

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I guess having an account enables that deterrance, but I don't see how it is related to unlocking the bootloader if there was not an account bound beforehand. If signing into an account can be preserved despite the "unlocked" bootloader, there has to be some sort of hypervisor/"secure chip" type deal denying access to the part of the device the account info is stored, no? Otherwise one could erase the account info an…

> If signing into an account can be preserved despite the "unlocked" bootloader, there has to be some sort of hypervisor/"secure chip" type deal denying access to the part of the device the account info is stored, no? Otherwise one could erase the account info and pass the device as untainted anyways. All Android devices have some sort of TEE these days, otherwise they wouldn't get Netflix and a bunch of other apps p…

Yeah, I'm not denying the existence or need for a TEE, I just mean that either the TEE is secured against custom OSs and therefore signing in beforehand is unnecessary, or the sign-in information could be erased by a custom OS.

So requiring a login to unlock the bootloader doesn't really disincentivise any theft in either case, as I understand it.

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