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Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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post #157

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Is 1st gear still in the top left position?

Yes, the shifting pattern is exactly the same.

Sibling comment mentions indicators and wipers being switched.

Anecdote 1) In NZ I saw a car in the middle of a busy roundabout, wipers on, passengers visibly confused and crying.

Anecdote 2) A kayak guide also mentioned, that if you see someone entering a roundabout, windshield wiping, on a sunny day, you just wait and let them do their thing.

Anecdote 3) After a month in NZ I came back to Germany and actually muscle memory let me to use wipers instead of indicators on the autobahn when changing lanes. Oof.

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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post #164

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Maybe in the US and other places that have a grid system as their main road planning principle and route naming principle? In Europe, where roads tend to follow the terrain more, I've not really heard this.

The US doesn't really have a (consistent) grid system outside of cities, with the notable exception of Utah (due to planning efforts by the Mormon pioneers). And even in cities it can be a mess. For example Seattle grew from three different smaller areas that all planned their roads to be parallel to the coast. The problem is the coast isn't in a straight line so as they grew and combined into a single city it create…

? I'm not talking about the suburbs of Seattle, check out maps of rural areas of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, Texas, Nebraska, or even the plains in the east of Washington state, most of the rural roads are running primarily North/South or East/West. Not that it's a grid system as in Manhattan, but it is following a grid pattern, and the names of the routes on signs and in spoken language are like "380 West" "215 North", etc. In the interstate system and many state road systems, this is reinforced by numbering convention that East/West roads are numbered even, while North/South roads are numbered odd. None of that exists in Europe.

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

#183

An additional starboard/port issue is right of way for sailboats. Suppose that you're going upwind and two close hauled boats are crossing. Who has right of way? When boats are on opposite tacks, a port-tack boat shall keep clear of a starboard-tack boat. Rule 10. A boat is on the tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. RRS Definitions.

Also a convenient way to remember right of way while on the water is to use the port/starboard lights of the approaching boat. If you see green (their starboard side) that means you have the right of way, and red means they have the right of way. Just like traffic lights :)

That only applies between power boats. Between sailboats the direction of wind is what determines the right of way.

And of course power boats must give way to sailing vessels.

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

#185

"Left side" and "right side" is unambiguous, because there is one given direction (forward). It is the same as "left bank" and "right bank" of a river (it is always looking downstream). For example, Slavic languages usually just use some sort of "left side" and "right side".

it's unambiguous if you know you're talking about direction relative to the boat, but you don't know that you're talking about direction relative to the boat. your left hand is still your left hand, even if it's on the starboard side of the boat. you always need some additional disambiguation to specify that you're talking about the boat. i've never sailed a boat with slavic people, but i'm guessing they use a phrase…

The left bank of the Seine is quite iconic!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rive_Gauche

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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It's interesting to compare how different professions handle the ambiguity in left/right. In the maritime world they went with an approach at one extreme, where they just use two completely separate words, "port" and "starboard." (Though that's far from the only case where there's a special word for something on a boat.) At the other extreme you have the medical profession where the first thing you learn in medical s…

And sometimes you get Prompt Side and Opposite Prompt, which are _usually_ stage left and stage right respectively, but it depends on the theatre, with some having the prompt on the stage right.

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the shifting pattern is exactly the same.

But usually the wipers and indicator controls are reversed, which can be embarrassing.

Coming from the UK to Aus / NZ I was feeling smug ;) - but of course, this caught me out.

To be clear in the UK the wheel is on the right but the indicator is still on the left side of the wheel as in a European LHD car, just to keep things different.

Re: Why do ships use “port” and “starboard” instead of “left” and “right?”

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post #142

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In french theatre has specific words for left and right. Côté cour et Côté jardin. Courtside and garden side. In geography left and right banks of a river are always in the direction of the flow

Which makes for some very confusing situations when the river is twisty. There are different places in New Orleans where the West Bank is south of you, west of you, and east of you.

Ironically that city's four cardinal directions of "Uptown," "Downtown," "Lakeside," and "Riverside" are completely unambiguous.
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