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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by CamperBob2 »

userbinator wrote: post #464
baal80spam wrote: post #259

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> The best solution I've found is Windows 10 IoT Enterprise What is the difference between this one and LTSC?

According to MS, the IoT edition is "missing" many "features" --- which in other words "doesn't have the crap you probably don't want if you only want an OS."

It is missing absolutely nothing useful. It also will receive security patches through 2031, unlike the normal LTSC distribution which gets 5 years of support. You have complete control over which updates, if any, are installed.

It is a big pain in the neck to get an LTSC or LTSC IoT license.

It is worth it.

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Post by wkat4242 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #40
spicyusername wrote: post #10

The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. Windows has become inferior to Linux in every other way. More upgrade headaches, worse resource utilization, worse desktop environment, more crashes, data collection, and now embedded ads. These technology companies have really demonstrated over the past few decades that they are unable to maintain reliable pr…

> The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. It was the same for me until a month ago. Thanks to the recent developments of WINE and Proton, gaming on Linux has been reliable enough that I could switch entirely to Linux and not look back. Couldn't be happier about it. Unless you only like to play the most recent AAA releases, I suggest you give it a tr…

Or VR. I've heard bad things about the Oculus stack on Linux. This is why I never bothered with proton.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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warner25 wrote: post #337
dasv wrote: post #275

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It seems there is enough pushback from Microsoft's enterprise clients because the W10 LTSC versions lack all the adware and most of the spyware that is pushed on the regular versions. Of course, they are not advertised anywhere and buying licenses through regular channels is impossible for a home user or a small company. I haven't compared resource usage between my previous W10 Pro VM and my current W10 LTSC VM but i…

Ironically, my employer just replaces all of Microsoft's crap with its own crap, pushed out to every client through GPOs and SCCM and other tools. So we get full screen banners, sometimes by launching PowerPoint and showing a slide, about things like cybersecurity awareness or [minority group] History Month. And it takes many minutes to boot up and login and get a functional desktop with all that, plus the scanning b…

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by midoridensha »

marcosdumay wrote: post #248
mihaaly wrote: post #203

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Without client conciousness clients will be fcked! Sooner or later will be, as their agressive provider shoves more and more crap down their throat without resistance it will only make that provider more and more determined feeding even more crap for fortunes. Not being satisfied and stop. It will continue into the eternity if can. When something is forced on you that you do not want or even harmful for you then not…

Don't come with client consciousness. MS's deal with computer manufacturers makes them pay more if they want to not install Windows on all of the computers they sell. And when some decided to just sell computers, you know, unbundled, the way that maximizes consumer choice, they were framed as criminally enriching from piracy and lots of governments felt into them with all their rage. It's not the client's fault that…

I'm sorry, I don't see the problem here. If you don't like Windows, don't use it; it's really that simple. If you're forced to pay more to get a computer without Windows because of bundling deals, then just buy the one that comes with Windows (because obviously, the cost of the OS is being subsidized, and then some, by all the extra bloatware added on), and then delete it and install the OS of your choice.

There's nothing forcing you to use the OS that was installed on your PC; these aren't phones where the OS is largely baked-in and can't be easily replaced or reflashed. It's quite trivial to install a different OS on a PC. People have been doing it for decades now.

If Dell/HP is able to sell you a computer for less money by bundling Windows, then obviously MS isn't making a lot of money from OS sales, but rather from other stuff, which is why all the ads are included. People want cheap, so they're getting an OS which is cheap, and paid for partly from ads. If anything, people should be happy: they can get a computer cheaper by just accepting the adware/bloatware-laden MS OS, which they can then delete and replace with Linux.

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Post by theshrike79 »

com2kid wrote: post #142
dotty- wrote: post #134

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I don't think Apple recurringly hounds you to sign in when you hit "Do it later" though. I read "Do it later" here as a subtle reminder that "the option is not gone. You can do it later on your own in your system settings if you want", as opposed to "ok we'll ask you again later unprompted :)"

Everytime my BT headphones connect, Apple Music opens up. Own and iPhone and you are reminded quite often of the benefits of an iCloud subscription. Try setting up an iPhone w/o an apple account for that matter, or using an Android phone (that hasn't been de-googled) without a Google account. Not to mention, users expect their files to be with them everywhere. IMHO Microsoft should make OneDrive free with some obscen…

> Everytime my BT headphones connect, Apple Music opens up.

I've owned a good dozen BT headphones, non-Apple and Apple branded, and every iPhone since the 3GS.

I've had this happen zero times.

I did have a VW car that insisted on starting to play music every time BT connected. My current Hyundai doesn't do this.

It's your headphones sending the "play" signal, just like with cars. The car connects to the phone and says "let's play music" -> everyone complains about Apple.

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Post by theshrike79 »

spicyusername wrote: post #10

The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. Windows has become inferior to Linux in every other way. More upgrade headaches, worse resource utilization, worse desktop environment, more crashes, data collection, and now embedded ads. These technology companies have really demonstrated over the past few decades that they are unable to maintain reliable pr…

I haven't booted up my gaming PC since I got the Steam Deck last fall.

BUT I don't play AAA online multiplayer shooters, so I'm a bit of a weirdo that way.

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Post by jcparkyn »

mihaaly wrote: post #179
bottlepalm wrote: post #78

It’s funny for what is essentially a ‘file manager’ Microsoft makes it hell to manage your files. My friends and family and constantly confused by the 10 different interfaces there are for file management. Desktops are a mess of of half trash files. The cloud integration the file explorer is a confusing mess. The UI for saving a file from Office is the absolute worst. I’ve had to help someone just save a file and it…

Agreed. That OneDrive thingy my company foolishly employs is making the file ""manager"" only bigger, not better. One of my favourite is how it overrules me in renaming a file. Half way into renaming it decides I will not rename it and just clears my editing, or exits editing mode. Refreshes or something, ruining what I do along the way. Renaming files is a hit or miss thing, unpridictable. Something pretty essential…

> Half way into renaming it decides I will not rename it and just clears my editing, or exits editing mode.

In case you're curious what's actually going on here, it happens when one of the status symbols (e.g uploading or synced) on a file in the same folder changes, which causes the view to refresh and the text box to be cleared. That's why it happens much more often when renaming multiple files.

I remember finding a bug report about it years ago, with lots of people complaining about it and no response from MS. Infuriating.

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Post by p0w3n3d »

sleepybrett wrote: post #279
zamalek wrote: post #130

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Developer mindshare. There are a huge amount of developers who want Windows (or really Visual Studio proper), and there is a meticulously tarred highway from Windows to Azure. The irony is that this bullshit will drive developers away, because they are some of the least likely to put up with it.

LOL since 2010 I've watched windows laptops disappear and mac laptops appear in pretty much every department i visit EXCEPT finance. There is exactly one engineer on my team that still uses windows but he admits that it's just inertia. Every piece of software he uses regularly either exists on linux/mac or can be replaces quite easily on linux/mac with no loss in productivity. Hell he spends most of his time in windo…

I have a gaming box too, but recently noticed that Minecraft is much faster on Linux, hence I installed Linux along. Still most of games are on windows, but this is old laptop and I don't have time to test them and move to Linux.
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