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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by AppleBananaPie »

JCWasmx86 wrote: post #68
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No". You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

probably a hot take but microsoft's product and pm culture is garbage leftover from the microsoft's anti customer era and is most entrenched in windows and other old orgs

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by FireBeyond »

thewebcount wrote: post #361
tohnjitor wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my nearly 10 year old imac asks me daily to either install updates now, enable auto updates, or "remind me later" for software updates. apple doesn't even update anything for this OS anymore.

This is stupid, but if I recall correctly, if you click the close box “x” in the upper left corner of the notification, it will stop asking, but if you say “remind me later” it continues to ask you. It is utterly infuriating that they use this dark pattern.

Apple and unintuitive UI patterns, be they dark or otherwise.

How many people have discovered macOS or iOS behaviors with accidental keypresses, swipes or gestures, or long holds on a button or ... bleh.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by kristopolous »

AppleBananaPie wrote: post #461
JCWasmx86 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No". You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

probably a hot take but microsoft's product and pm culture is garbage leftover from the microsoft's anti customer era and is most entrenched in windows and other old orgs

They're still acting like a monopoly when that positioning is long gone.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by userbinator »

baal80spam wrote: post #259
copper-float wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these gross advertising decisions baked into the operating system disgust me. Not to mention all the tracking they probably do to you on top of it. The best solution I've found is Windows 10 IoT Enterprise. It feels like an alternate timeline where Microsoft didn't dive headfirst into manipulative advertising practices. None of those pointless bloatware apps, no blatant advertising loitered across the OS. I do…

> The best solution I've found is Windows 10 IoT Enterprise What is the difference between this one and LTSC?

According to MS, the IoT edition is "missing" many "features" --- which in other words "doesn't have the crap you probably don't want if you only want an OS."

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by yadingus »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #21
zeroego wrote: post #16

I use Ubuntu for work, but my gaming rig runs windows. I went through all of the applications I use on my windows pc the other day and they're all available on linux now. With proton getting as good as it is, app availability on linux, and with the annoying occasional ads coming through my windows os, I'm starting to think I won't upgrade to windows 11 when 10 stops being supported.

I had to use Ubuntu at work and the experience made me hate it to the core. My experience: Gnome it ships with is too opinionated with no basic configuration options without installing 200 extensions which may or may not work, no option to turn off the touchpad when an external mouse is pugged in, no hibernate option because z-ram or something, no fractional scaling because "pixels aren't fractional" to quote Gnome d…

> I can't ignore an OS

Tbf most of the issues you describe are with Gnome. I've been using linux for 7 years and I touched Gnome once for 5 minutes and hated it.

Never had any of the other issues you mention. Screen tearing in X11 is very easy to avoid for example, literally two lines in a config file, much simpler and faster than all the registry key garbage you have to do on windows.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by userbinator »

JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

I like how "badging" could easily be read "badgering", as I was naturally primed to "autocorrect" it upon reading the title and the article leading up to that.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by userbinator »

bastardoperator wrote: post #192

Plenty of us at MSFT won't even use a windows desktop because of decisions like this. I don't know who's in charge here, but way to go on killing the goodwill of everyone elses work with stupid features everyone actually hates.

Plenty of us at MSFT won't even use a windows desktop because of decisions like this.

Unfortunately, doing that only reinforces the impression that that the people who use it like these abhorrent additions.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by msla »

whoopdedo wrote: post #166
JCWasmx86 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No". You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

It's what the phrase "the customer is always right" originally meant. It means you can do all the market research, development, testing, polling, and seeding to sell a product. But the ultimate decider of whether the product is "good" is whether or not the people buy it. If your sales plan flops don't say "it's not the product's fault, I just need to do a better job marketing it." No, the product is wrong, the custom…

It doesn't matter how much you paid: You aren't the customer, you're the product.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by Bjartr »

rafark wrote: post #454
GuB-42 wrote: post #421

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File management in Windows is, I think, the best for a consumer OS, on par with Linux (sometimes better, sometime worse, depending on your distro). Not because it is good, but because Microsoft can't keep up with the others when it comes to messing up file management. iOS: you essentially don't have files, just internal storage for apps Android: you have files, but they are making it really hard to access them MacOS:…

I have to disagree. There’s nothing like column view for windows. The “address” bar in the windows file manager is very useful, though. I’ll give you that. But other than that, I find Finder better. Finder also has tabs (I don’t know if windows copied this, I haven’t used windows since windows 8).

What kind of column view are you wanting? I've been more or less happy with the columns offered by the "details" "icon size" option.
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