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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by thewebcount »

tohnjitor wrote: post #139
dotty- wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Apple recurringly hounds you to sign in when you hit "Do it later" though. I read "Do it later" here as a subtle reminder that "the option is not gone. You can do it later on your own in your system settings if you want", as opposed to "ok we'll ask you again later unprompted :)"

my nearly 10 year old imac asks me daily to either install updates now, enable auto updates, or "remind me later" for software updates. apple doesn't even update anything for this OS anymore.

This is stupid, but if I recall correctly, if you click the close box “x” in the upper left corner of the notification, it will stop asking, but if you say “remind me later” it continues to ask you. It is utterly infuriating that they use this dark pattern.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by vel0city »

Loughla wrote: post #323
bottlepalm wrote: post #78

It’s funny for what is essentially a ‘file manager’ Microsoft makes it hell to manage your files. My friends and family and constantly confused by the 10 different interfaces there are for file management. Desktops are a mess of of half trash files. The cloud integration the file explorer is a confusing mess. The UI for saving a file from Office is the absolute worst. I’ve had to help someone just save a file and it…

My number 1 complaint after switching from linux mint back to windows after years in linux-land after building a gaming rig - The auto sort by date and group by most recent in their file explorer that you have to either use a third party app to turn back into sort by name and group by none, or - do that selection for literally every folder on its own. That's a fucking train wreck. Who decided that sorting by date ins…

> Who decided that sorting by date instead of name was a good idea?

It depends on the context. Sometimes when I'm looking at photos, I really do prefer sorting by date. Similarly, when I'm looking at the Downloads folder, I'm probably most interested in the thing I just downloaded, so having that near the top makes a lot of sense and would gladly prefer that than having it sorted alphabetically.

However, if I'm just looking at a directory of documents, alphabetical wins for sure. If I'm looking at a music collection, I'd probably want to sort by artist name alphabetically, but not necessarily filename.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by Marsymars »

pupppet wrote: post #221
Marsymars wrote: post #49

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I find this response kind of puzzling. I'm telling you about my subjective use of iOS. As far as I'm concerned, the App Store is a core part of iOS. iOS isn't a useful OS without the App Store. I can't install apps or manually update them without seeing ads. It's not really a matter of definitions, it's simply a matter of how I use iOS. I've prefaced all my comments on this subject by pointing out that I'm describing…

It completely makes sense to find ads for apps in the App Store.

Sure, it makes sense. They’re still intrusive, unavoidable, unwanted, and make the experience worse.

It would also “make sense” for “sudo apt install firefox” to show me an Google-sponsored ad to instead consider Chrome.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by dspillett »

dylan604 wrote: post #80
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

So you're saying Windows has become nagware?

Yes. It has already been spyware for some time.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by cduzz »

alex_young wrote: post #301
cduzz wrote: post #285

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If you buy a car from a dealership, then yes indeed you are "less" of a customer of the manufacturer. Consider this relationship: Toyota makes a car to the specifications of general motors, who brands the car as a "Pontiac Vibe" and sells the car to a Pontiac dealership. The Pontiac dealership then sells you the car at mostly a wash because you're also financing the purchase and they want to sell "your" loan to a loa…

I don't believe you've proven the point you're attempting to make. Tesla is a rather famous example of a car manufacturer that doesn't have a dealership model. Do you imagine that GM or Toyota is somehow less interested in how their cars are either liked or disliked by their target audiences than Tesla is? That seems pretty hard to imagine.

I'll try to be clear here:

Microsoft is selling your eyeballs to advertisers: You are the product not the customer.

Vendors are buying windows from Microsoft and installing it onto a computer and selling that computer to you. You are buying a computer not windows. If you need support you talk to the vendor, not microsoft. The vendor is the customer to Microsoft, not you.

And regarding cars -- car companies make lots of crappy cars and sell them to dealerships who have to buy them regardless of if they want them or not. The dealerships are the customers of the car companies. You are a customer of the dealership. 99% of the time if you've got a problem with the car, the manufacturer is going to be of limited use to you.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by thewebcount »

Loughla wrote: post #323
bottlepalm wrote: post #78

It’s funny for what is essentially a ‘file manager’ Microsoft makes it hell to manage your files. My friends and family and constantly confused by the 10 different interfaces there are for file management. Desktops are a mess of of half trash files. The cloud integration the file explorer is a confusing mess. The UI for saving a file from Office is the absolute worst. I’ve had to help someone just save a file and it…

My number 1 complaint after switching from linux mint back to windows after years in linux-land after building a gaming rig - The auto sort by date and group by most recent in their file explorer that you have to either use a third party app to turn back into sort by name and group by none, or - do that selection for literally every folder on its own. That's a fucking train wreck. Who decided that sorting by date ins…

I can kind of understand making it the default sort, but not getting rid of the others. Most users don’t know they can sort the list of things in a folder. They just want to see the thing they just created, or the thing they were last working on. So sort by either creation date, modification date, or date added is what will be most helpful to most of them and result in the least open tickets for Microsoft. But to remove the other options, that’s just bad.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by mihaaly »

marcosdumay wrote: post #248
mihaaly wrote: post #203

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Without client conciousness clients will be fcked! Sooner or later will be, as their agressive provider shoves more and more crap down their throat without resistance it will only make that provider more and more determined feeding even more crap for fortunes. Not being satisfied and stop. It will continue into the eternity if can. When something is forced on you that you do not want or even harmful for you then not…

Don't come with client consciousness. MS's deal with computer manufacturers makes them pay more if they want to not install Windows on all of the computers they sell. And when some decided to just sell computers, you know, unbundled, the way that maximizes consumer choice, they were framed as criminally enriching from piracy and lots of governments felt into them with all their rage. It's not the client's fault that…

Not the client is the responsible for others agression of course but they are for supplying those doing violents on them with their money. Of course thay are! Those doing shady business to the damage of the customer while the customer aware of this but still pay those doing violence is more than responsible: being accomplice. Don't come to me with the 'nothing can be done' kind of lazy nonsense please! That is just an excuse to remain lazy.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by nicbou »

xattt wrote: post #86
JCWasmx86 wrote: post #68

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Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No". You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

> Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. At some point, it gets into “creepy pervert” territory.

I keep saying that if someone understood consent like tech companies, you would keep an eye on your drink whenever they’re around.
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