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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by theodric »

snvzz wrote: post #290
bigger_inside wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never used linux. After a hundred frustrations with my new laptop that runs Win11, I'm now looking to install ubuntu. Windows pushed me there.

Arch Linux. Great community and excellent documentation wiki that'll hold your hand every step of the way.

Install Arch, get everything working, and DO NOT install updates. I've never had another distro that would randomly render itself unbootable or break core functionality with such frequency with the simple weekly application of updates. Really distressing.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by Dah00n »

bottlepalm wrote: post #78

It’s funny for what is essentially a ‘file manager’ Microsoft makes it hell to manage your files. My friends and family and constantly confused by the 10 different interfaces there are for file management. Desktops are a mess of of half trash files. The cloud integration the file explorer is a confusing mess. The UI for saving a file from Office is the absolute worst. I’ve had to help someone just save a file and it…

I have used Windows since, well since Windows became a thing, and I have never had problems with finding Copy/Cut/Properties/Etc. but every single time in Windows 11.....

It amazes me that Windows gets worse with every update. I'd rater use an updated Windows Vista than Win11, yuck!

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by MichaelZuo »

giantrobot wrote: post #288
MichaelZuo wrote: post #231

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I highly doubt people buying a Windows 11 license with their own money is even 0.1% of the installed base. If they had hundreds of millions of people, or OEMs, sending them $150 USD per license, it would be unlikely for them to put in ads. As in windows 7. But when it's almost freely given away...

> But when it's almost freely given away... If that's a problem it's one created by Microsoft themselves. They're the one that sets their license fees. Their execs set stock guidance.

What if they don't consider it a problem? Do you think there'll be any reasonable chance of change?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by JohnFen »

dzader wrote: post #83
JohnFen wrote: post #69

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I don't think they'll get many conversions out of it. They're fishing in a pool that already actively signaled that they don't like the bait.

and it's a pool not paying them for services so they probably don't care about losing them.

So then why bother targeting them in the first place?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by Dah00n »

causi wrote: post #59
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #51

Please please MS just put someone in charge with taste who can veto this trashy rubbish. Whatever gains you're perceiving from this on your profit chart isn't worth the compounding deterioration of your products experience.

You should've learned having taste is an instant disqualifier for employment at Microsoft after Windows 8.

Surely you must mean after Windows 7? Windows 8 was the beginning of the pile of poo that is Windows on the PC-playing-a-tablet and Microsoft just dig deeper and deeper with every new version down the awful tablet design they have going on.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by monkaiju »

whalesalad wrote: post #18
zeroego wrote: post #16

I use Ubuntu for work, but my gaming rig runs windows. I went through all of the applications I use on my windows pc the other day and they're all available on linux now. With proton getting as good as it is, app availability on linux, and with the annoying occasional ads coming through my windows os, I'm starting to think I won't upgrade to windows 11 when 10 stops being supported.

Only thing keeping me on Windows is the anticheat software employed by games like MWII.

I refuse to use software as intrusive as the anti-cheat stuff, just not worth it.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by dspillett »

afandian wrote: post #158
xattt wrote: post #86

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> Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. At some point, it gets into “creepy pervert” territory.

I got this from BBC Sounds app. https://imgur.com/a/CSMwv96 A full screen dialogue box with no other way of dismissing it but “maybe later”. “Switch on notifications and we'll find new releases that you might like, so you don't have to. Sounds good Maybe later” No shred of concern for consent. I get if you’re a scrappy startup growth hacking taking ethical shortcuts. But a public service broadcaster should have bette…

One of the reasons I refuse to install the thing. Another being it no doubt it requires me to setup an account (making up personal details as I do so) like other BBC properties do. There are some things I've stopped listening to as they are not available elsewhere (or are available 28 days later but have time sensitive content). At some point, if this keep moving this way, I'll use BBC content so little that I can just disable it on all my devices and stop paying the license fee (unless by then the licensing arrangement has changed so I'm still liable to pay in that circumstance).

Interestingly the image host you link to with that screenshot refuses to remember that I don't want to install their app on my device.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by dm319 »

JCWasmx86 wrote: post #68
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No". You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

This is what autonomy and consent is all about.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by barbazoo »

sleepybrett wrote: post #292
barbazoo wrote: post #278

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Pretty annoying how everyone chooses outrage instead.

How about supporting microsoft with ad dollars being OPT-IN not OPT-OUT.

That would be nice, sure, but not a big deal I think either.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by robswc »

bigger_inside wrote: post #85
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

I've never used linux. After a hundred frustrations with my new laptop that runs Win11, I'm now looking to install ubuntu. Windows pushed me there.

I get so frustrated when I have to do _anything_ with my Microsoft account that never needed it before.

Installing and running docker on windows was a nightmare lol

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