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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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$999 macbook air is perfectly usable?

With a 256GB SSD? Please. Some of us use computers for creative work and don't want to pay absurd markups for soldered on SSDs and RAM.

Well frankly it all depend on your job. I got a win10 256GB HP laptop at work and never felt fooled.

Most of the files I need are never permanently stored on my laptop so I'm pretty glad IT prioritized a good Graphic Card that support my 4k monitor + 1 ext 1080p display of my home config on top of the internal 1080p.

While yeah on my 7 years old personal mac laptop though, the 256Gb now seems limited because of my personal Photo Library. (Which is by the way the standard MacOS/iOS Photo library which is both available offline/synced/backed up using actually useful and configureable OS provided basic tools as opposed to adversial adware)

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Not paying them, perhaps? : / Not buying their products.

That doesn't work in this situation. What percentage of windows users "bought the product"? Someone else bought it and put it on the computer without any user input. It's like buying a house and finding out that it has a coin-operated lock on the front door when you try to move in.

Without client conciousness clients will be fcked!

Sooner or later will be, as their agressive provider shoves more and more crap down their throat without resistance it will only make that provider more and more determined feeding even more crap for fortunes. Not being satisfied and stop. It will continue into the eternity if can. When something is forced on you that you do not want or even harmful for you then not the submitting is the answer but to push back. Be lazy or be fcked! Those are the choices. We seen it before in the history.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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I got this from BBC Sounds app. https://imgur.com/a/CSMwv96 A full screen dialogue box with no other way of dismissing it but “maybe later”. “Switch on notifications and we'll find new releases that you might like, so you don't have to. Sounds good Maybe later” No shred of concern for consent. I get if you’re a scrappy startup growth hacking taking ethical shortcuts. But a public service broadcaster should have bette…

> I get if you’re a scrappy startup growth hacking taking ethical shortcuts. Nope. Scrappy startup or established corporation, it doesn't matter. Taking ethical shortcuts makes you a Bad Guy.

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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You should've learned having taste is an instant disqualifier for employment at Microsoft after Windows 8.

Nobody with taste would have allowed the Zune.

This is the first time I've heard all opinion about the Zune other than "it was actually pretty good! It was a hidden gem!"

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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putting aside that 12% is still a fair bit, I wonder how much value it brings them in more intangible ways, that would only become obvious if they "lost" windows.

Developer mindshare. There are a huge amount of developers who want Windows (or really Visual Studio proper), and there is a meticulously tarred highway from Windows to Azure. The irony is that this bullshit will drive developers away, because they are some of the least likely to put up with it.

> There are a huge amount of developers who want Windows

I watched rabid Windows fans that had been developing for many years slowly become disappointed apologists during the decade of 2010. They still use Windows and trust .NET and SQL Server, but they have had their joy slowly beaten out of them by Microsoft’s change of focus.

Balmer yelling “Developers developers developers” on stage in 2000 was a sign of how important developers used to be to the company.

I think Microsoft should get back to their roots and create a Windows Developer Edition for individuals & small businesses: remove all the consumer shit, fix the tasteless look, pre-install developer tools, charge $100 per year for it (with discounts to onboard anyone developing targeting Windows OS). Nice if they could come up with a GUI to compete with Electron (or at least an HTML slimmed down with inefficient features removed?). They need another VB6 too! (Disclaimer: I’ve not really used VB6). Pushing your developers into the arms of Apple Mac’s seems like a poor long-term strategy.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Apps still work horribly in Linux. Gimp still pales to Photoshop, Lightroom's still better than Darktable, etc. Same goes for video, audio, etc.

Correct but thats not linux that’s the app vendors. There are web based alternatives for some and considering webgpu is becoming a thing there will more available in the browser soon.

The apps are the ecosystem. If people can't run the programs they need to actually do things with their computers, then all the technical benefits in the world are useless. It was the biggest problem 20 years ago with Linux, and is the biggest problem now.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

Getting local user accounts working under Win 10 was already bad enough, just figuring that out took loner than getting my first Linux installed and running. And yes, I went through all of that to avoid yet another MS Account.

Not sure what MS wants to achieve with all of that.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Correct but thats not linux that’s the app vendors. There are web based alternatives for some and considering webgpu is becoming a thing there will more available in the browser soon.

The apps are the ecosystem. If people can't run the programs they need to actually do things with their computers, then all the technical benefits in the world are useless. It was the biggest problem 20 years ago with Linux, and is the biggest problem now.

Depends on your use case. For me it works absolutely fine.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

They view their users as a captive audience. Where else are you going to go?
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