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Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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Weekly meetup? Goodness! All the marginally interesting meetups in my area are monthly or less. I specifically started a twice-monthly one myself because it was so grim. (And no, I'm not very happy with my own meetup, either.) Pretty much the only exception to the monthly cadence is hiking meetups, which in my area are dominated by retirees and midlife singles. I've tried them, I wouldn't keep trying.

From my experience, weekly is important for a couple of reasons: 1. That's the cadence that most people's life runs on. It's easier to schedule and remember something that happens every Wednesday, than every other Wednesday. 2. You actually start to feel like friends with people fairly quickly when you see them weekly. It feels like a good balance between space and closeness for strangers to start becoming friends. S…

We agree, you don't need to keep trying to convince me.

I don't keep going to monthly events because I love the cadence. It's because the weekly event near me is "YC Startup Accountability Circle."

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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I'm surprised that no one has said "work."

(Or maybe not surprised, since there is a vocal minority on this board that would rather just receive work assignments on a folded piece of paper shoved under their door and never interact with coworkers.)

I have dedicated the last 1.5 years of my life to finding "my people." As in, I literally quit my job and started joining meetups, hikes, groups, maker spaces, attending events, organizing my own, and just hanging out in public all the time.

Long story short, I am no better off socially than I was 1.5 years ago. I am looking for work again so I can make work friends.

I've become acquainted with a handful of people. Despite a lot of probing and chatting, I haven't clicked with anyone.

In sum, I consider the last 1.5 years of my life time mostly wasted. I should have either kept trying to make closer friends through work or done something more radical than just trying to be more social.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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> “There's this phenomenon called homohysteria, which is the fear of being perceived as gay that I think really, really is destructive for men's friendships,” she says.

I see this claimed a lot (usually from women), but it doesn't seem true to me. It is true that men are less likely to form new friendships as adults than women, but I don't think it has anything to do with being perceived as gay in most cases. It has much more to do with the ways men and women socialize. Women also seem better at retaining friendships when they move, by calling and catching up with their old friends, while men tend to let old friendships die. Obviously these are generalizations and there are plenty of exceptions in both directions, but I think the basic pattern is true for the two groups as a whole.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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I'm talkative, outgoing and pretty funny in real life. I think I can say that people generally enjoy my company. But I only have about three friends, and I see them maybe four times a year. I really get along with my coworkers and enjoy their company at work. My wife thinks I should make more friends. But the truth is (and I suspect this is pretty common with HN'ers), I don't want more friends! Because in addition to…

The reason that I've lost so many friendships in the past decade is exactly what you're saying: friendships are not a priority for the average person who is gainfully employed, married with kids, maybe has pets, and also has social obligations to their relatives. For someone in your position, maintaining friendships is always going to be the lowest priority item, on a neverending list of responsibilities and social e…

> People who are married with kids are insanely busy, with a robust and built-in social network, whether it's through interactions with relatives, or even making friends with other parents through sporting events, etc.

Grass is always greener on the other side, and busy does not mean someone has friends.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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I'm talkative, outgoing and pretty funny in real life. I think I can say that people generally enjoy my company. But I only have about three friends, and I see them maybe four times a year. I really get along with my coworkers and enjoy their company at work. My wife thinks I should make more friends. But the truth is (and I suspect this is pretty common with HN'ers), I don't want more friends! Because in addition to…

The reason that I've lost so many friendships in the past decade is exactly what you're saying: friendships are not a priority for the average person who is gainfully employed, married with kids, maybe has pets, and also has social obligations to their relatives. For someone in your position, maintaining friendships is always going to be the lowest priority item, on a neverending list of responsibilities and social e…

    That's one thing that frustrates me about American society.
I see nothing particularly American about that - all you've described happens in all 3 countries I lived in (Israel, Austria & Germany) and I'm sure this is pretty usual world-wide.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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Is it easier in India? I have to actively avoid getting invites from people and feel bad when I refuse. I’m a native and if I travel to a new city I can make friends in a jiffy. I’m a 28 yo male and still not choosing to commit to marriage and this argument about finding friends later scares me at times. Is it really true? Does the depth of connection vary? I also was in Germany about half the year in 22 and for sure…

Seems harder to make friends in developed countries. Not sure why that is. Maybe people can be more independent

It is likely a function of density. India is particularly heavily populated and their cities are very dense.

Suburbia and lower-density neighbourhoods will necessarily reduce the number of chance encounters, and thus possibilities to make friends. In many developed nations the only places to "be social" can often also be places in which you can only participate in through the lens of commercialism (e.g. going to a sporting event, paying to play pool or darts at a bar, etc.). This is often described as the loss of the "third place." It's heavily associated with sprawl and car-centric development, but even without that there's tons of places that don't have nearby public parks or plazas that they can just go and exist in without spending money. The pretext of a place to socialize and hang out changes if you need to spend a significant amount of money to participate.

Another reason could be that having easy access to cheap digital entertainment probably reduces the number of times most people voluntarily leave their house to go be social. I know at least for myself that I can easily hole up in my home and avoid the outside world if I want to. You have to make a conscious effort to decide to go out and do social things, and that can sometimes be very difficult in tandem with my previous point about sprawl. Do I really want to drive somewhere and spend money to be social today or should I just find a new show on Netflix? A hard problem when we structure our own incentives against our desires to make more friends!

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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One thing I learned from reading Jung and not just the MBTI stuff based on his work is his core distinction between introversion and extroversion: Introverts have an inner model of the world. Extroverts rely directly on the world. It doesn’t mean that extroverts like people more or that introverts necessarily prefer being alone. It’s just that for extroverts, when nothing external is happening it’s like a little deat…

Recommend a book? I never knew where to start with jung. Also, was his work research based or was it mostly speculative?

I believe the book introducing his theory of introversion/extraversion was Psychological Types based on his own clinical research. It's a theory, not a law.. :-)

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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Not too difficult, actually.

The thing is that you have to put in more effort than when younger.

Proximity and constant contact is easy when you are young.

One of the things that made it easier in elementary/jr high/high school and/or university is that you were in classes every day or every other day with the same person for months. You see them on campus or buildings as you are walking around. Going to school is mandatory, so you will see the same people every day.

It's easy.

As an adult, it is not the same. But that is why office romances are so common. You are forced to see the same people every day. But there are other places. Some go to church for social contact, not necessarily worship. Or maybe worship is a 2 or 3 and social is 9 out of 10 in importance.

One solution is to go to groups with weekly meetings. Monthly is not frequent enough. I met a lot of cool people in a hiking group and a technical groups that I went to.

If you start your own hiking/walking group and get 10 or 20 people to attend, you will have a lot of friends, especially if you are the group leader. Leaders always get the attention of everyone - it's built into our DNA. You are the one who puts in the effort, gets people together, plans where you go to walk. You have to "market" the group. You also have to plan extracurricular activities - if you have a hiking group, every few months you can have a party at your house for your group, or BBQ or whatever.

Join weekly groups, or create a weekly group. That's the best way. If you just don't want to put in the effort, well, what can I say. You won't get together frequently enough to form bonds. It really just isn't possible, or maybe just not likely anyways. You want to increase probabilities, you need to meet with people weekly. I think creating the group is best.

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Here are some ways if you want to createyour own group to find and attract members:

Create a Facebook group or page and invite your friends to join and share it with their network.

Use other social media platforms such as Twitter, Instagram, or LinkedIn to promote your group and reach a wider audience.

Create a website or a landing page where people can learn more about your group and sign up to join.

Post flyers or posters in public spaces such as coffee shops, libraries, or community centers.

Attend local events and hand out flyers to people who might be interested.

Use word of mouth and tell your friends, family, and colleagues about your group and ask them to spread the word.

Ask local related businesses if you can post flyers or business cards in their establishment. Camping stores for hiking, computer stores for tech groups, etc.

Use online community platforms such as Meetup, Eventbrite, or Facebook Events to create and promote your group.

Create a group on LinkedIn and invite people in your industry to join.

Use Reddit to post about your group in relevant subreddits.

Reach out to local organizations or clubs and ask if they would be interested in collaborating with your group.

Use Craigslist to post about your group in the community section.

Attend networking events and conferences to meet new people and promote your group.

Create a hashtag for your group and use it on social media to increase visibility.

Use paid advertising on social media platforms such as Facebook or Instagram to reach a wider audience.

Partner with local newspapers or radio stations to advertise your group.

Use email marketing to reach out to people who might be interested in joining.

Attend local festivals or events and hand out flyers or business cards.

Use Google AdWords to target people searching for keywords related to your group.

Create a YouTube channel and post videos about your group to promote it.

Use influencer marketing by partnering with people who have a large following in your niche.

Attend relevant industry events and promote your group to the attendees.

Partner with local schools or universities to reach out to students who might be interested in joining.

Partner with churches and other types of places where people meet regularly.

Host a launch event or a meetup to introduce your group to the community and attract new members.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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We introverts have an easy life with ourselves, completely at peace with oneself, never bored. Extroverts dread this, they need external stimulus to feel alive, alone they get bored and depressed quickly. Hand in hand with that go things like imagination, alone you simply have much more time to train it. As I grew up, I realized how stupid and immature it is to try to blend with the rest of the crowd, where extrovert…

I remember at some point (as an introvert) my mental model of extroverts flipped and I suddenly began to see them not as super humans but almost like disabled people. Unable to function independently because of a severe deficit in their mental makeup that makes them unable to sustain happiness without supplementary support from presence of other individuals. I still envy them in certain ways but now I have a much mor…

Unless you mean that you eventually grew out of the view that extroverts “suffer from severe deficit in their mental makeup”, I wouldn’t call your position “balanced” at all. You’ve just swung from one extreme to another.

I don’t know you, but I have a feeling that you’ll eventually come to understand “extroverts” better than this.

Re: Making friends as an adult is hard (2021)

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From my experience, weekly is important for a couple of reasons: 1. That's the cadence that most people's life runs on. It's easier to schedule and remember something that happens every Wednesday, than every other Wednesday. 2. You actually start to feel like friends with people fairly quickly when you see them weekly. It feels like a good balance between space and closeness for strangers to start becoming friends. S…

We agree, you don't need to keep trying to convince me. I don't keep going to monthly events because I love the cadence. It's because the weekly event near me is "YC Startup Accountability Circle."

Sorry, wasn't trying to preach, just wanted to share my thoughts and experiences incase it was helpful.
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