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The Model Y has a very conventional style, so the fact that it sells well would seem to be a point in favor of the GP’s argument. It also sells in many continents, which Cybertruck might not be able to do.
The Cybertruck has to be released before it can fail in the market-place.
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The current product is not even remotely one that can compete in the market. It has to be redesigned, or they’re going to end up shipping the Pontiac Aztek of EV trucks.
Says somebody who has never driven, never seen and never read a review of the cybertruck.
Jay Leno hit the nail on the head “this doesn’t look anything like a pickup truck” which is exactly what the problem was with the Aztek. Crossovers are a huge market but the totally ridiculous body style was a flop.
If Tesla priced this more like a Raptor, in order to market it as a futuristic status car, it might work. That’s not what they’re doing. Rivian is eating their lunch here and will continue to do so.
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Says somebody who has never driven, never seen and never read a review of the cybertruck.
We have all seen one, it’s called YouTube. Jay Leno hit the nail on the head “this doesn’t look anything like a pickup truck” which is exactly what the problem was with the Aztek. Crossovers are a huge market but the totally ridiculous body style was a flop. If Tesla priced this more like a Raptor, in order to market it as a futuristic status car, it might work. That’s not what they’re doing. Rivian is eating their l…
1. it's an opinion, and there are a substantial number of people who like the cybertruck
2. a truck is a functional vehicle, and functionality is the primary consideration. Lots of people think the Ram is the best looking truck, but it's substantially outsold by F-150 & GM.
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It might attract a new segment of the market that wouldn't otherwise buy a truck. e.g. My partner, she has no interest in a normal pickup truck, for some reason I still can't fathom wants one in bright orange.
... Huh, are they going to come in colours? I vaguely thought, in the event that any ever actually existed, that they'd be unpainted, a la DeLorean.
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In what way is the cybertruck moving forward? You still can't buy one and if you put money down on one, you're still not getting your cybertruck. Reminds me of my Starlink experience: pay $100 to get on the waiting list, wait a while, pay an additional $500 to get the downlink terminal, wait, wait some more, try to figure out who I know who still works at SpaceX because there's no support contact info for people who…
Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. Starlink has global availability right now though a laser backed network. The only place you can’t get it are overloaded cells and countries that have not given landing rights. I’m sorry for your anecdotal issue, but the system has over a million users so I think it’s fine. Starships first use will be to put up the 2nd gen network. It’s funny how peopl…
I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a crowdfunding platform years ago. They constantly show great progress being made ("we finally have a factory lined up", "here's the final version of the legs", "we've begun mass production"). It feels like every one of these emails has a message about how they're going to start shipping chairs out to backers in the next couple months. This has been the case for several years now. I'm pretty skeptical I'll ever get the chair, as is basically everyone else who ordered it.
I imagine the Cybertruck will eventually be released, but it sounds like it's now almost two years behind the originally announced release date. I think it matches the spirit of vaporware currently, just as Duke Nukem Forever did for over a decade.
I think it's understandable that people would describe a delayed release from Tesla/Musk as vaporware given how their promises of "full self driving" have been going.
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It remains to be seen what it ships with, but you can add films and coatings to the glass to make it much more resistant. I don’t think that would affect certification, although I could be wrong.
You're not wrong, you've been suckered by advertising. Watch the video. The water is there, horse. Drink it.
Edit: You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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You're not wrong, you've been suckered by advertising. Watch the video. The water is there, horse. Drink it.
I watched the video. It doesn’t prove what you think it does. Your attitude is obnoxious.
Aggressive swipes will get your account banned here, so please don't post like this, regardless of how provocative another comment is or you feel it is.
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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Of course I do. It's called marketing. It's a relatively cheap commercial to make, and the fact that it went viral proves it was a good use of budget. Setting up fake scenarios is basically every TV commercial ever. That doesn't make them conspiracies. Also it was April 1. It was a joke video, get it?
the joke was that you never get to see the crash.
April fools is about getting you to believe something happened when it didn't...
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And yet Porsche, Range Rover, Rivian etc manage to sell the same cars globally. I'm not a rocket science/engineering/business genius like Musk but pretty sure having one design that may require some minor regional modifications is going to be significantly cheaper than having two completely different cars.
Porsche (~300k units/year) and Range Rover (~90k units/year) are niche brands, Rivian isn't even profitable and a volume manufacturer. Conversely, the Model Y was the US' 6th best selling vehicle last year [1], is currently the 4th best selling vehicle in 2023, and will likely the world's best selling car in 2023 [2] based on demand and supply forecasts. [1] https://insideevs.com/news/629993/tesla-model-y-6th-bestsel…
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The Model Y has a very conventional style, so the fact that it sells well would seem to be a point in favor of the GP’s argument. It also sells in many continents, which Cybertruck might not be able to do.
Consider Tesla did not copy existing manufacturers. They built their own markets (S->X->3->Y). People complain online loudly about the touchscreen, quality, but I'll be damned, these units get moved regardless (well on our way to almost 3M/year [1]). For example, Harley can't woo younger riders to the brand because their attempt to acquire them turns off older Harley fans who are slowly dying out. Tesla doesn't have…