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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be.

I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant.

Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

#233

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

> There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash.

What about Windows 2000?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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No, it's good times. Look at MSFT's stock price. Despite the lousy market, they're doing pretty well. You can whine all you want about the user experience being terrible, but that literally doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is how profitable the company is, and the value it provides to shareholders. Nothing else is important. If customers don't like being bombarded by ads in their OS, they're free to choose…

This is a very narrow view of what "good" is. If a company dumps barrels full of toxic DDT in the Pacific Ocean causing widespread pollution, but still make a profit for their shareholders; would you still argue they are a good company? Same for Windows. They are polluting our visual space. These ads are unwanted and not sought out.

If some company dumps toxic crap in the ocean, you don't have a choice to just go to an alternate universe where companies don't do that. It's a shared resource.

When Microsoft loads their OS with annoying ads, you have a simple choice to use it, or not. You can easily use a different OS if it bothers you so much. I don't see any ads in my OS...

>They are polluting our visual space. These ads are unwanted and not sought out.

You made a choice to buy an OS that has this pollution. That's on you, not Microsoft. MS offered you a crappy OS with ads in it at a certain (presumably low) price, and you accepted their offer. You could have used a different vendor, a free OS, or even a more-expensive version of Windows that doesn't have the ads.

This is nothing like environmental pollution. MS Windows is not a shared resource, it's a product from a private (publicly-held) corporation, offered for sale with the goal of making money for its shareholders.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

#235
I dislike the bloat and adding in news sections without asking.

Not just windows, but Android, brave and Firefox browser as well.

Please don't add recommended stories to the new tab, I just want my saved links and most visited. Nor do I want dodgy sponsored crap. Oh the woes of you are the product.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

#236
What value does Microsoft get by pushing MSN content on normal computer users (especially business computer users)?

Is there such value in getting eyes to linger on MSN that it's worth slowing down or distracting people who use their computers for actual tasks (as opposed to just wasting time and following any tempting "news" link)?

Is this a top-down decision from Microsoft, or is this a lack of adequate oversight on the part of the top execs who define strategy for Windows?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

#237
I remember vividly the day I installed windows XP in 2002. It took me only 30 minutes to finally realize that Microsoft will never fix Windows. They are incapable of making good OS today as they were 20 years ago. I've been happily using Linux ever since.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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I've heard the $2 LTSC keys on aliexpress activate without issue

Why pay $2 for a key which is still illegal to use? Just download a precracked version.

Because using a pirated key on a Windows I downloaded from Microsoft is a lot less likely to introduce trojans or viruses on my system, compared to downloading a pre-cracked Windows from a a pirate site.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

#239
In windows XP, microsoft learned their users accepted some abuse,e.g locked theme engine, plastic default theme, DRM. There were complaints, but users took it because where else to go? And to be honest, XP was still an upgrade coming from 98 and 2000 was not available for end users.

Vista was an universally loathed disaster, but users took it because where else to go?

Windows 7 was better, but still an UI downgrade. Users took it because where else to go?

Windows 8, the your-computer-is-now-a-tablet edition. Users took it, where else to go?

Windows 10, forced on user PCs, universally loathed. Still an user experience downgrade, but users took it because where else to go? And after a few years, memory of old versions faded enough that some people actually believed win10 was any good.

Windows 11, ad ridden malware by any definition from 10 years ago. Users will take it, because where else to go.

Microsoft leadership is not utterly stupid. They know users will take the next windows, whatever it does. Notice how every version gets more bold in the abuse. They expect your complaints. They are even polite enough not to laugh at the whole thing until they are in their own ingroup.

I am speaking user experience here, there was some windows tech advancement in the last 20 years. And I know how availability of OS, software and drivers means tou have to upgrade if you want to stay with Windows.

Even so, I never thought the whole world would go from a mostly competitive software ecosystem to stockholm syndrome from 1 abusive software vendor, but here we are. The sheer power of avoiding some short term pain no matter the long term cost is unbelievable.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Maybe I’m wrong but Windows is “free” (as in beer) unless you want to change your desktop, and then you have to fork over 100 dollars (if you don’t just buy a license from one of these grey market sellers who advertise on youtube). It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft serves ads and collects people’s data to subsidize, at least to some degree the losses of not selling license codes for 150-200 dollars. This is…

Microsoft doesn't really care about pirate home users, their primary source of income is business users, and these tend to buy many more Microsoft products than just client Windows. Moreover, the vast majority of home users just buys a laptop with a fully licensed copy of Windows preinstalled.

It’s not ‘pirating’ to not pay for Windows for quite a while now. The license is optional and I don’t bother with it on VMs.
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