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lol what? There have been plenty of Hindutva terror incidents, one as recent as the day before yesterday, when 3 men killed a couple of undertrials in front of live camera and then went on to scream the terror warcry of "Jai Sree Ram". > If this is “fascism” as you say, majority of the Indians are happy living under it. Do you have a sense of irony? Majority is always happy under fascism. It is the minority who matte…

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> Plenty of left-leaning governments throughout history have used censorship. What does that have to do with Modi? Modi's government has moved far to the right.

Not the person you're replying to, but there is this persistent fallacy that left is inherently good and right is inherently evil, despite the fact that neither side of the political spectrum is inherently good or evil. Great injustices have been committed under both liberal and conservative governments throughout history.

In this modern case though we have another rightward illiberal authoritarian lurch.

In modern times these seem to have high correspondences.

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Unfortunate that this rightward lurch by the Modi government (still incredibly popular in India) will be ignored by the "west" due to competition with China. India considers unfettered social media and speech a threat to stability, just like China.

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"Hurting religious sentiments" by tweeting a screenshot of a 1983 movie is obviously not a war crime. Zubair is a journalist who was jailed for spurious reasons: > Retired Supreme Court judge Justice Deepak Gupta on Tuesday said that questions arise on the Delhi Police for arresting journalist Mohammad Zubair for allegedly hurting religious sentiments even as suspended Bharatiya Janata Party Nupur Sharma is still fre…

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The BJP expelled Nupur Sharma from her position as the national spokesperson of the BJP because of the incendiary comments she chose to make on live television. Mohammad Zubair made a compilation of her comments and did not change any of her words.

As the former Supreme Court judge Deepak Gupta said, one of the problems in this case is that the journalist Mohammad Zubair was jailed for "hurting religious sentiments" because he tweeted a screenshot of a 1983 Hindi comedy film, while the politician Nupur Sharma was not jailed despite her incendiary comments "hurting religious sentiments" on live television.

> “If she [Sharma] could say that…which had a much bigger propensity to incite violence… but she is not arrested, Zubair is...Then some questions do arise on the fairness of the police,” Gupta said, in an interview to Live Law.

Additionally, the fact that there is even a law that allows the government to imprison people for making comments perceived to be "hurting religious sentiments" is a serious violation of freedom of speech.

https://scroll.in/latest/1027652/questions-arise-when-police...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/28/who-is-mohammed-zub...

There are plenty of articles from Western media that describe Atiq Amhed as a mobster, so your accusations are groundless. Examples:

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/17/atiq-ahmed-k...

- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65291781

As a former MP, Ahmed was obviously also a politician and there are plenty of articles from Indian media describing him as a politician. Someone can be both a politician and a mobster at the same time.

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lol what? There have been plenty of Hindutva terror incidents, one as recent as the day before yesterday, when 3 men killed a couple of undertrials in front of live camera and then went on to scream the terror warcry of "Jai Sree Ram". > If this is “fascism” as you say, majority of the Indians are happy living under it. Do you have a sense of irony? Majority is always happy under fascism. It is the minority who matte…

This is failure of law and order. What bothered me is how liberal media portrayed these individuals.

The primary identity of individuals killed is undertrials (as you rightly mentioned) or murderers or criminals, and not lawmakers or MPs as portrayed by these headlines.

1) https://www.reuters.com/world/india/former-indian-lawmaker-s...

2) https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/apr/16/former-i...

3) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65290042.amp

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> They constantly lie to the indian people to promote a possible genocide against the muslim minority. What evidence do you have for that?

Last I checked India was home for second largest Muslim population, and population has only been growing, more than other sections of societies in India.

Sure things aren’t same for Muslims post 2014 and people should raise their voice. However for every Muslim atrocity, there is one against Hindus or any other religion. Should we take comfort in that? Absolutely no, but this genocide nonsense is utter rubbish.

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Not the person you're replying to, but there is this persistent fallacy that left is inherently good and right is inherently evil, despite the fact that neither side of the political spectrum is inherently good or evil. Great injustices have been committed under both liberal and conservative governments throughout history.

In this modern case though we have another rightward illiberal authoritarian lurch. In modern times these seem to have high correspondences.

The correspondence is with power.

Opposition parties are often anti-censorship, pro free speech etc. Once they come into power this all changes and they drift towards authoritarianism.

Western, left-leaning governments have invented the term "hate speech" to justify this behaviour, right-leaning governments would often use "family values".

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Altnews the left wing version of Tucker Carlson. I'd go as far as to say that if Alt-news told me there was no Earthquake in my house, my first instinct would be to find cover. Local and politicized news in India is notoriously biased. But the direction of the bias varies from news org to news org. Somehow, American & British news orgs are notorious for giving megaphones to the worst faith actors within Indian politi…

Alt News is much more similar to Rappler, a Filipino news website and fact checker whose founder (Maria Ressa) was awarded the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize after she was arrested and convicted by the Filipino ruling government for "cyberlibel" in retaliation for her journalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa The Peace Research Institute Oslo nominated the Alt News founders (…

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The BJP expelled Nupur Sharma from her position as the national spokesperson of the BJP because of the incendiary comments she chose to make on live television. Mohammad Zubair made a compilation of her comments and did not change any of her words. As the former Supreme Court judge Deepak Gupta said, one of the problems in this case is that the journalist Mohammad Zubair was jailed for "hurting religious sentiments"…

You lie by speaking selectively. BJP leadership was supportive of Nupur Sharma initially. Prominent Muslim figures like Nasiruddin Shah (who normally despise BJP) have come out and said that Nupur Sharma did not say anything wrong about Mohammed.

BJP distanced itself from her after they got a lot of push back from friendly Middle Eastern states. BJP are a bunch of opportunist cowards themselves anyway.

There is no case against Nupur Sharma and she only said what she said (on that TV show) after having been provoked by another Muslim panelist about Hinduism and Hindu gods.

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> They constantly lie to the indian people to promote a possible genocide against the muslim minority. What evidence do you have for that?

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