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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by agiacalone »

0000000000100 wrote: post #146
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. That's better than what has happened to me with prior versions of Windows: the Windows installer just deleted the Linux bo…

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

I have a close relative who works for the beast, and he claims that everyone there "eats the dogfood".

Knowing what I know of him, I believe it and he certainly lives the company life. He even used to have (and claimed to like) a Windows phone. ;)

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by toast0 »

userbinator wrote: post #23
sho_hn wrote: post #4

If you've never used an older Windows, here is a Win 2000 in the browser: https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=win2k.cfg&mem=192&gr... (The Qemu.js post on the front page today lead me there via a readme link to jslinux.)

I wonder how much it would take to get explorer.exe and the rest of the UI (userland) from Win2k running on a newer version of Windows. Backwards-compatibility has been MS' strong point for a long time, and the majority of other applications from the 2k era would probably be fine on Win11 too.

Count me in. I'm willing to make sacrifices for this vision, too. HiDPI/scaling isn't required (well, no big deal for me, I try to buy monitors with the DPI I want to use). I can live without searchable start menu (although it would be nice). I'm willing to drop other features too.

Honestly, I'm considering running fvwm95, but that's probably a bad idea.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by midoridensha »

signal11 wrote: post #71

The Windows OOBE experience is trash now. Thanks to their “on by default” widgets, it’s like getting a subscription to the National Enquirer along with an OS. This isn’t a knock against the idea of widgets btw. Widgets can be useful. The issue is, whoever PMed this feature has applied his or her taste on to millions of Windows users. This is a masterclass on how not to manage a widely used product.

>This is a masterclass on how not to manage a widely used product.

The MSFT stock price disagrees with you. Looks like they're managing it just fine to me.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by canistel »

It does sadden me that ReactOS has not been mentioned even once in this entire discussion so far. Understandably, it is not a viable alternative at the moment.

However, I will hope against hope. Looking back, Lazarus IDE had languished for a long while, before maturing. As I write this, I have at least 3 applications written in Lazarus running. So I will hope against hope...

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by Name_Chawps »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #105
denkmoon wrote: post #96

It makes me so angry that companies like Microsoft are so dead set on shoving the culture down my throat by all means possible for a few cents of ad revenue while I do my best to avoid the culture as much as possible. I will pay. I will pay lots. Just fuck off with the shootings and the child abuses and the red vs blue and the things that are ruining our brains.

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One major cause of school shootings is the reporting of school shootings.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by 0000000000100 »

deafpolygon wrote: post #168
0000000000100 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

> The UI updates just took all the negatives of using a Mac, but without any the parts that make it actually useful. then > I miss being able to see the title of windows in the taskbar... You can't do that on a mac either.

Ah my bad, that was unrelated. Windows 10 had an option to show the Window titles of items on your taskbar if there was enough room.

Most of the time I end up having 2-3 VSCode windows open which you can't switch between unless you hover over the icon first.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by pianoben »

quyleanh wrote: post #91
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

Agree with you except the prefer reason. I like to using Window because of its advantages about UX, which I cannot find in Linux or macOS. For example: the consistent keyboard shortcuts, the explorer's UX and UI when accessing by mouse and keyboard, the window management including tiling flow, the muti-monitor management... I feel that there is power at Microsoft forcing Windows including terrible adware as now, just…

> I feel that there is power at Microsoft forcing Windows including terrible adware as now, just for profit

Her name is Amy Hood ;)

In seriousness, Finance in no way dictates product decisions directly. Instead, they tell product owners "You are responsible for $XXX million dollars in revenue over the next N quarters. Tell us how you plan to achieve this goal." Product owners run the gamut from amazing to unimaginative. Guess who populates the Windows PM org these days.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by pianoben »

userbinator wrote: post #123
charles_f wrote: post #100

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

You consider 10 "good"? Maybe compared to 8, but not anything before. It's gotten consistently worse with each new version since ~XP. 8 was a massive nosedive, 8.1 a slight improvement over 8, and 10 roughly the same, and 11 another nosedive.

IDK, I consider Windows 7 a solid improvement over XP. XP, by the time Service Pack 3 came around, was good but showing its age.

As far as I'm concerned, they could have stopped at 7 with no real loss to the business.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by shmde »

Lanz wrote: post #189

Windows 11's UI is trash, no question. However, it can be easily fixed with ExplorerPatcher. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

I feel like Windows UI/UX teams go back to their homes throw their laptops running windows out of the window and boot up a Mac. Windows 11 UI can go fuck itself. Absolute shit, I had to go back to Win 10 LTSC version after using it for a day.
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