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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by ezconnect »

linguae wrote: post #81
iJohnDoe wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point was that the big enterprises pay for licenses that don’t display this garbage. The rest, Microsoft is trying to monetize. I agree big time. We pay for licenses so none of this crap is shown. However, most businesses get the Windows license that is included with their hardware purchase and this crap is shown to them.

The sad thing is that you'd think the revenue coming from license sales to OEMs would be enough for Microsoft to not resort to these blatant attempts to make Windows an advertising platform, but I guess it's not.

They in it for the profit. They would not shy away from a revenue stream. Users can still clean it up.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by dleslie »

userbinator wrote: post #123
charles_f wrote: post #100

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

You consider 10 "good"? Maybe compared to 8, but not anything before. It's gotten consistently worse with each new version since ~XP. 8 was a massive nosedive, 8.1 a slight improvement over 8, and 10 roughly the same, and 11 another nosedive.

XP SP3 was gold for gaming.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

emodendroket wrote: post #107
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

I mean, ignoring our personal preferences, which of those two halves of the business sounds like it's sustaining the other? I see a bunch of (cool) tools in one column, some of which admittedly might encourage people to use Windows or other paid MS products, albeit less so than in the past; in the other I see a lot of solid recurring revenue streams.

Azure is Microsoft's biggest money-maker, not the inclusion of ads in Windows. Windows itself drives 12% of Microsoft sales[1].

[1]: https://www.kamilfranek.com/microsoft-revenue-breakdown/

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by RajT88 »

tcmart14 wrote: post #85
sho_hn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows is definitely adware now. It's sad, isn't it? In many a Hacker News thread about the Year of the Linux Desktop, someone will inevitably deadpan how there's just no money to be made; there's no business model. It seems to me that the same is true for Apple and Microsoft. There's "no" money in the desktop itself, only as a value-add, via platform effects or via dark pattern monetization like this.

To be honest, Windows really should just rebase on to Linux. They can make their programs work on linux. But the OS isn't the future for Microsoft when it comes to profits. Their future is software and tooling. I don't follow MS's financials, but I bet their growth with Azure and Linux is far outpacing Windows license keys. I believe they have already indicated that Ubuntu is far more popular than their own server OS…

> Their future is software and tooling. I don't follow MS's financials, but I bet their growth with Azure and Linux is far outpacing Windows license keys.

Azure outpaces everything else. Azure, under the covers, runs Hyper-V on Windows Server.

A massive number of VM's running on Azure are Linux, so investments in that area also pay cloud dividends.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by 0000000000100 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #137
hparadiz wrote: post #108

I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. My work around was to setup a QEMU VM inside Linux where I provided the VM with the secondary M.2 as the main install drive.…

> I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. That's better than what has happened to me with prior versions of Windows: the Windows installer just deleted the Linux bo…

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader.

I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to work on whatever piece of hardware I have (driver issues, bugs, some remaining software that still doesn't work with Linux).

You can remove most of the crap via a debloater, but Windows 11 is just overall worse than Windows 10. The UI updates just took all the negatives of using a Mac, but without any the parts that make it actually useful. I miss being able to see the title of windows in the taskbar...

My favorite pet theory about Microsoft is that no one that works there actually uses any of their products and are just on Macs lol

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by nneonneo »

cachvico wrote: post #115
darzu wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure

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Except those numbers are…wrong? I mean, they’re not far off, but they’re not actually right either. You should probably never trust ChatGPT outright with facts.

From the horse’s mouth, https://www.microsoft.com/investor/reports/ar21/index.html:

Productivity and Business Processes: 53.9B (not 53.7)

Intelligent Cloud: 60.1B (not 58.4)

More Personal Computing: 54.1B (not 53.6)

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by horsemans »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #105
denkmoon wrote: post #96

It makes me so angry that companies like Microsoft are so dead set on shoving the culture down my throat by all means possible for a few cents of ad revenue while I do my best to avoid the culture as much as possible. I will pay. I will pay lots. Just fuck off with the shootings and the child abuses and the red vs blue and the things that are ruining our brains.

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In your estimation, how much graphic violence should my operating system show me on a routine basis?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

quyleanh wrote: post #91
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

Agree with you except the prefer reason. I like to using Window because of its advantages about UX, which I cannot find in Linux or macOS. For example: the consistent keyboard shortcuts, the explorer's UX and UI when accessing by mouse and keyboard, the window management including tiling flow, the muti-monitor management... I feel that there is power at Microsoft forcing Windows including terrible adware as now, just…

> the consistent keyboard shortcuts

Funny, I remember working at a Linux shop a few years ago - two higher-ups in tech there were fairly against paying for any software, but both used Windows for this exact reason.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by noncoml »

cowsup wrote: post #26
noncoml wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t access the website, so don’t know what crap we are talking about, but Windows Pro for Workstations, which anyone can purchase, doesn’t have any third party crap installed. Only some MS crap. Much less overall.

We are talking about the MS crap, actually.

ok, yeah I see now that the website is back up
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