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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by emodendroket »

tcmart14 wrote: post #85
sho_hn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows is definitely adware now. It's sad, isn't it? In many a Hacker News thread about the Year of the Linux Desktop, someone will inevitably deadpan how there's just no money to be made; there's no business model. It seems to me that the same is true for Apple and Microsoft. There's "no" money in the desktop itself, only as a value-add, via platform effects or via dark pattern monetization like this.

To be honest, Windows really should just rebase on to Linux. They can make their programs work on linux. But the OS isn't the future for Microsoft when it comes to profits. Their future is software and tooling. I don't follow MS's financials, but I bet their growth with Azure and Linux is far outpacing Windows license keys. I believe they have already indicated that Ubuntu is far more popular than their own server OS…

Why on earth would they do this and piss away their huge BC advantage?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by emodendroket »

sho_hn wrote: post #4

If you've never used an older Windows, here is a Win 2000 in the browser: https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=win2k.cfg&mem=192&gr... (The Qemu.js post on the front page today lead me there via a readme link to jslinux.)

I can't go back to not having a searchable start menu.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by Rimintil »

StillBored wrote: post #54
WWLink wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like what does it want to be? Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. It's an OS created for enterprise corporations to support and manage the actions of their employees in a digital world. First and foremost. Most MS products are. The ad platform is MS trying to find ways to continue growing profits. :D

Nah, few enterprises have asked for any of this trash either. I'm pretty sure that most of them would be perfectly happy with a windows 98 style GUI, that supported modern hardware. They don't want all this churn either, they want something that is stable, doesn't change very fast and doesn't require them to constantly retrain their staff or waste their IT admins time fighting with whatever new options require a new…

Windows has always had this churn. Upgrading from NT4 > 2000 > XP > Vista, etc all required a time investment to figure out new features, group policies, creating an image (Autopilot removed this requirement), etc.

Win 11 changing the Settings CPL doesn’t change the overall body of work required.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by userbinator »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #9

One thing i find particularly obnoxious about windows is how they promote their edge browser. It would be one thing if it is well integrated into the rest of the operating system like ie. But in reality its pretty much indistinguishable from Chrome which, incidentally, is the only thing i've ever downloaded on Edge.

Yet neither Edge nor Chrome seems to have gotten the amount of hate IE did, despite being a leading example of what's wrong with the "modern web". I still use it if I can (otherwise it's Firefox), because it's a very "quiet" and native-looking browser that's also quite configurable --- more so than any Chrome-clone. Certainly makes one wonder who is controlling the narrative.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by mdmglr »

WWLink wrote: post #36
nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

> Like what does it want to be? Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. It's an OS created for enterprise corporations to support and manage the actions of their employees in a digital world. First and foremost. Most MS products are. The ad platform is MS trying to find ways to continue growing profits. :D

> Is it an OS or an advertisement platform.

OS for enterprise customers and Windows Pro users who know how to use Group Policy.

Advertisement platform for everyone else.

Sad times.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by eviks »

pxc wrote: post #46
gigel82 wrote: post #6

> there is no way to turn this news feed off There are several layers to "turning it off". You can use Personalization -> Taskbar to turn off the "Widgets" icon which takes care of the immediate problem. But widgets.exe will continue running in the background, and the only way I found to get rid of that is winget uninstall "Windows Web Experience Pack"

Against fixing this behavior, and others: The year of the Linux desktop for anyone who regularly browses this site came a long, long time ago. If you're running Windows today and still telling yourself that you'll switch once it finally gets bad enough , the sad truth is that you'll put up with anything, as long as Microsoft introduces new bad behavior slowly enough to let you acclimate to their successive, increasin…

But this is a benign papercut that you fix once per a few years here and there, but Linux would have many more and deeper cuts (and your sad truth is not true, there is a limit)

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by userbinator »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #62
adithyassekhar wrote: post #30

Edit: I'm comparing it with Windows 10. For me it felt like Microsoft lost it's way after 8.1 and now coming back to the Windows 7 way of things. Design wise aero looks similar. Windows 11 has been the most beautiful most stable and consistent windows I've ever used. It feels like a modern and rock stable update of Windows 7. I never got a blue screen or anything bad. Finally it feels like Microsoft is trying to make…

ot but i don't think it's in good faith to be downvoted for having an opinion other people don't like.

That "opinion" sounds nothing more than parroting the marketing BS.
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