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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by sm_1024 »

rootw0rm wrote: post #668
thelittleone wrote: post #667

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I moved to Samsung from Apple and that wasn't my experience at all.

There's a separate Samsung version of every core Google Android app, a separate Samsung account system to sync everything, and a Samsung launcher. Mind you, I personally use none of it (except launcher), but that's basically the definition of Android bloat.

I'd expect bloatware to be unnecessary software. To a user who is not familiar with google's offering, the bloat doesn't exist, they don't see two different softwares. Samsung phones don't have two messaging apps, gallery, or phone app

Not including google's version doesn't equate to bloat. In fact, the opposite is true.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by 2h »

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> AWS or Azure

I was recently in the market for a basic VPS, and Azure is absolutely awful for this use. The most bloated complicated signup and setup process I have experienced in a long time. Google was tolerable. Of the three amazon lightsail was the best, but even that loses to something like digital ocean

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rootw0rm »

sm_1024 wrote: post #671
rootw0rm wrote: post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a separate Samsung version of every core Google Android app, a separate Samsung account system to sync everything, and a Samsung launcher. Mind you, I personally use none of it (except launcher), but that's basically the definition of Android bloat.

I'd expect bloatware to be unnecessary software. To a user who is not familiar with google's offering, the bloat doesn't exist, they don't see two different softwares. Samsung phones don't have two messaging apps, gallery, or phone app Not including google's version doesn't equate to bloat. In fact, the opposite is true.

If I have to resort to dev mode to remove things I don't need, then to me it's bloat. Those things aren't there in vanilla Android.

I'm still using Samsung hardware and I like it, but it's got a little bloat goin on

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by muppetman »

gspencley wrote: post #88
seydor wrote: post #42

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google still owns android

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original. Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching…

Google have done a great job over the last ten years of making Android pretty unusable without Google's proprietary software on it. Don't have Google Play Services (Proprietary) then no access to push notifications, maps APIs etc etc. Yes, Vanilla Android works, but it's rough as guts. And who'd want to buy a phone where push messages for Facebook/Instagram etc don't work? Very few people.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by LoganWhitwer »

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by filmgirlcw »

dehrmann wrote: post #666
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

Except Samsung sells orders of magnitude more phones than Google does.

I don’t like the Samsung inference either, but millions and millions of people don’t just like it, they prefer it. They buy the phones specifically because they know how to use it. They aren’t loyal to Android, they are loyal to the Galaxy line.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by luisgvv »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #676
dehrmann wrote: post #666

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> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

Except Samsung sells orders of magnitude more phones than Google does. I don’t like the Samsung inference either, but millions and millions of people don’t just like it, they prefer it. They buy the phones specifically because they know how to use it. They aren’t loyal to Android, they are loyal to the Galaxy line.

Can confirm, having used several android phones across the last decade I can tell the most consistent Android experience is delivered by Samsung

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by DangitBobby »

luisgvv wrote: post #677
filmgirlcw wrote: post #676

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Except Samsung sells orders of magnitude more phones than Google does. I don’t like the Samsung inference either, but millions and millions of people don’t just like it, they prefer it. They buy the phones specifically because they know how to use it. They aren’t loyal to Android, they are loyal to the Galaxy line.

Can confirm, having used several android phones across the last decade I can tell the most consistent Android experience is delivered by Samsung

Try a Pixel. None of the Samsung bloat and most importantly, no Bixby constantly getting in the way of the vastly superior Google Assistant already baked into android.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by vel0city »

foobiekr wrote: post #475
jrockway wrote: post #452

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Is GCP really a failure? I think the product is OK and they seem to have some big customers. They're maybe #3 in the space, but you can make a lot of money without being #1. Yes, we all hate their support structure (it goes through SADA), but the price is right. At my last company with 4 engineers we were paying AWS ~$1000/month for support. At my current company back when we had a cloud service on GCP, we got weekly…

I am curious why you find it cheaper than AWS. Are you sure the application didn't change and was at the same scale? In my experience, GCP and AWS are within a tiny % of each other.

Its way easier to define exactly what kind of instances you need in GCP in my experience. Need more RAM? Just add a bit more RAM, don't need to completely double it along with double the CPU and double the networking and what not. Just need one more CPU core? Done.

Then the reliability of GCP is a good bit higher. gp3 has 99.8% durability. I've seen several EBS volumes just disappear. Not deleted, just become permanently gone due to hardware failures. Compare that to 99.999% durability on GCP. You're spending several times for extra redundancy and complexity per gig on AWS just to come close to the durability to GCP.

If I have a choice between AWS and GCP, and unless I've got some specific product need for AWS, I'd probably go with GCP every time. It's such a better product IMO.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by marcosdumay »

rootw0rm wrote: post #668
thelittleone wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved to Samsung from Apple and that wasn't my experience at all.

There's a separate Samsung version of every core Google Android app, a separate Samsung account system to sync everything, and a Samsung launcher. Mind you, I personally use none of it (except launcher), but that's basically the definition of Android bloat.

Samsung is known for adding a more user friendly version of everything that comes from stock Android.

(Personally, I disagree, but this seems to be almost unanimous. Even for people that don't buy their phones.)

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