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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by seneca »

jrockway wrote: post #452
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

Is GCP really a failure? I think the product is OK and they seem to have some big customers. They're maybe #3 in the space, but you can make a lot of money without being #1. Yes, we all hate their support structure (it goes through SADA), but the price is right. At my last company with 4 engineers we were paying AWS ~$1000/month for support. At my current company back when we had a cloud service on GCP, we got weekly…

> Yes, we all hate their support structure (it goes through SADA)

SADA (and their competitor DoIT) are just resellers. Support doesn't inherently go through them. That's a decision your company makes. It's generally not a great decision either, in my opinion, as those resellers add a lot of opacity between you and your cloud provider. Google recommends them because it's easier for them.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by worrycue »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #604
cruano wrote: post #253

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> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

When google sends me to a website, I can at least judge the credibility of a website. When ChatGPT tells me something, I have no idea if it's paraphrasing information gathered from Encyclopedia Britannica, or from a hollow-earther forum.

> When ChatGPT tells me something, I have no idea if it's paraphrasing information gathered from Encyclopedia Britannica, or from a hollow-earther forum.

Or it's something it just hallucinated out of thin air.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by MichaelZuo »

inconceivable wrote: post #590
MichaelZuo wrote: post #462

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I can believe half of them did, or maybe 2/3, but that still leaves hundreds of original Googlers who could speak up.

how old are you? have you ever tried to get a group of 10 people, forget about thousands, to do something in a way that you think is "correct"? especially something worth millions and millions of dollars? this is beyond the plane of rationality and the social forces take on a life of their own. it's not a math problem.

> have you ever tried to get a group of 10 people, forget about thousands, to do something in a way that you think is "correct"?

Yes I have actually, several times.

It's not easy, and of course it gets exponentially harder as the group grow, but these folks also have access to exponentially greater resources and exponentially greater motivation to do so. (Assuming their desire is to remain loyal shareholders of the company for the long term)

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by gofreddygo »

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

Google is losing its competitive advantage in the search space. DDG and Bing are very strong competitors for the typical web search usecase.

External forces of economic and technical nature are not in their favor. Internal forces from politics, leadership and management issues are surfacing.

This does not sound good for Google. Almost like it will implode.

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Post by dehrmann »

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up

True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

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Post by thelittleone »

dehrmann wrote: post #666
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

I moved to Samsung from Apple and that wasn't my experience at all.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rootw0rm »

thelittleone wrote: post #667
dehrmann wrote: post #666

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> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

I moved to Samsung from Apple and that wasn't my experience at all.

There's a separate Samsung version of every core Google Android app, a separate Samsung account system to sync everything, and a Samsung launcher. Mind you, I personally use none of it (except launcher), but that's basically the definition of Android bloat.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by sm_1024 »

dehrmann wrote: post #666
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

That hasn't been my experience at all. If anything, they are more userfriendly than other phones I have used. One thing in particular that is very nice is that everything is accessible on the larger screen sizes, action centers, call logs, messages, everything is designed to be accessible when holding your phone with one hand without having to awkwardly reach the top.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by 3836293648 »

pmontra wrote: post #506
hrunt wrote: post #135

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> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

Maybe I'm using a different Bing because I access it through Duck Duck Go, but it doesn't seem better than Google. I often have to add a !g to technical searches because DDD doesn't return the right results. Google has them in the very first links. I'll try to use Bing directly.

Raw ddg or google are awful for technical searches. But at least having ddg as default lets you have !whatever for specific topics.
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