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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by yusufnb »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Google did encroach. Google office/docs is much better than Microsoft. Chrome OS is a better OS for most non-tech jobs. The browser is the operating system for most people, and Chrome is leading in that. They won on mobile as well with Android. Google Workspace, in my opinion, is much better than Microsoft.

It's their outdated search bringing everything else down it seems.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by postalrat »

jzb wrote: post #274
hbn wrote: post #210

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I'm not sure that's a great example of quick-pivot defensive decision-making on Microsoft's part. It was just a leaked slide deck of a hackathon project done by a few employees. If the project actually gets greenlit and shipped, that's another thing.

Microsoft has often been good at the Vaporware / stall approach. If a competitor/underdog looks like they're getting traction, announce something similar even if it isn't available for a long time (or ever). If you can stall adoption for a few quarters you can catch up to or kill a competing product. Sigh.

How is that going to help Microsoft here? You can build games that work with both windows and the steam deck. Why wait for Microsoft's handheld device?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Spivak »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #604
cruano wrote: post #253

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> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

When google sends me to a website, I can at least judge the credibility of a website. When ChatGPT tells me something, I have no idea if it's paraphrasing information gathered from Encyclopedia Britannica, or from a hollow-earther forum.

Which is why you use one of the AI search engines that makes it cite its sources.

phind.com has been incredibly good for me.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Spivak »

Kye wrote: post #634
siquick wrote: post #632

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Phind gives you citations and even let’s you ignore certain sources. https://www.phind.com/

Not any use to me (not a developer), but it's cool there are niche search engines for stuff like this.

Ignore the tagline, it's a general purpose search engine with some features for code.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by batiudrami »

yusufnb wrote: post #651
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Google did encroach. Google office/docs is much better than Microsoft. Chrome OS is a better OS for most non-tech jobs. The browser is the operating system for most people, and Chrome is leading in that. They won on mobile as well with Android. Google Workspace, in my opinion, is much better than Microsoft. It's their outdated search bringing everything else down it seems.

Google Docs is not anywhere close to as powerful or as performant as Microsoft Office. I don’t really see how someone familiar with both forward suites could think that is the case.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by creatonez »

balls187 wrote: post #82
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

So what changed? Why didn't they before?

In the past Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, etc. have frequently gotten outbidded by Google for similar deals.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by balls187 »

ehsankia wrote: post #532
balls187 wrote: post #82

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I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

Why? Google makes a shit ton of money from Search, Microsoft doesn't. The whole Bing AI stuff is already a huge money sink for them, how much can they afford to throw into this pit before investors start being worried?

As far as investor buzz is concerned, Microsoft has a lot of positive sentiment compared to Google.

Perhaps ironically it’s because Google’s search tailors it’s results to show me those results that paint MSFT in a positive light.

I can also see Generative AI providing some real amazing features with near OS level integration. Imagine being able to quickly draft business emails from your mobile device?

I don’t think Apple will have anything that amazing anytime soon so us iOS users will be stuck with using 3rd party apps, but I could see Samsung trying to distinguish their handsets with additional software capabilities not found in Android.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by eric_cc »

carlosjobim wrote: post #644
paulpan wrote: post #467

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The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

Apple could spin up a better search engine than Google in a swirley. The big question is why haven't they!?

> in a swirley

What does this even mean?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by amluto »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #624
amluto wrote: post #384

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Google has spent the last 10 years ago making Google worse. They achieved this in large part by making the whole Internet worse [0], but a search engine with results of the quality of Google 10 years ago would be a serious competitor. [0] For example, Google used to have a fairly strictly enforced rule that indexable content had to actually be visible to an unauthenticated user. The current crop of sites that have ap…

While I have many reasons that Google made the Internet worse (AMP, censoring search, forcing localized search results, privacy, etc.) I don't think the hidden content is their fault but rather that of publishers. Publishers blamed Google for declining revenue since they had to make their content openly accessible and therefore free in order to be visible to users on search. The EU tried to make Facebook and Google p…

Huh, do you have a source for the EU issue?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by balls187 »

creatonez wrote: post #656
balls187 wrote: post #82

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I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

So what changed? Why didn't they before? In the past Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, etc. have frequently gotten outbidded by Google for similar deals.

Probably because those provided subpar user experience.

Pure speculation—MSFT probably nailed the demo and impressed Samsung execs.

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