I'm looking for a HYS account that also has meaningful 2-factor (ie, not SMS) authentication. Does anyone know a bank that has > 4% APY where they allow an authenticator?
Wealthfront offers real 2FA (TOTP) and their Cash account pays 4.3%. Don't think there is direct Yubikey support yet. They are not a bank, but spread your deposits over multiple banks if needed in order to achieve high FDIC insurance limits. They also issue revocable unique login codes for some 3rd party app authentication, which I appreciate a lot. Some other 3rd party connections just use Plaid or similar.
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
Health insurance feels like a sort of "gross" industry that I don't imagine Apple would want to be associated with. Could be wrong though.
Like the music industry? Like cell phones? Both of these were awful pools to wade into when Apple got involved.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why is gold a poor vehicle? Physical gold is too usually too illiquid. Digital gold solves that, but in general the short term volatility makes it imprudent for emergency funds. > Lending/borrowing isn't a gamble beyond the underling risks involved. This is called burying the lede, I believe. The underlying risks include significant structural risk on the institutions and vehicles themselves, not comparable at all…
> Digital gold solves that, but in general the short term volatility makes it imprudent for emergency funds. It depends on what you define as an emergency fund. If your view is that the macro economy (especially in the US) is not going well (heading into an inflation emergency), having divested into something other than dollars is the correct play here. > not comparable at all to conventional banking That's the point…
All I'm saying is any discussion including it has to realistic that it is fundamentally a risky at current time. Will it outgrow that? We'll see.
> It depends on what you define as an emergency fund. If your view is
Now this is just moving goalposts, why do that? Everyone was talking about emergency funds in the usual sense. Introducing hedging against the USD based economy is at best a distraction (even if that's what you personally want to talk about) and counterproductive.
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#284It's interesting that they will not accept any transfer-in, even reject a transfer, if the balance exceeds $250,000. This must be because of the FDIC insurance limit, and hence protects the consumer's savings. Quite the opposite of what some banks are trying to do: offer accounts that try to provide FDIC insurance over 250k by spreading your money among other banks. From the footnote 1: https://www.goldmansachs.com/t…
I wonder if the $250k transfer limit can be exceeded by having a joint account? FDIC limit is $500k for couples jointly owning an account.
HOW AN ACCOUNT CAN BE OWNED
Individual Account
An Account may only be owned by one person.
Payable-On-Death (“POD”) Designation
You may designate one or more beneficiaries (up to six) to receive the funds upon your death for your Account.
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#285First LLMs, now this. This is absolutely revolutionary technology, and it's no surprise that it originated from a $2.6T company with an absolute army of the smartest engineers on the planet. The technology preview is VERY impressive. Apparently you can take some of your money, and escrow it with Apple, who will then pay you interest on the balance. Absolutely insane space age technology.
2023 is such a wild year in big tech, with all these revolutionary inventions like "savings accounts", but it's disappointing that Google didn't get there first. Sundar really needs to launch a Manhattan Project style effort to get ahead of this. I heard a rumor that Microsoft is working on this crazy stealth project with OpenAI called "checking accounts", where not only can you deposit money, but you can ALSO draw against it with a 100% carbon-neutral device called a "check".
If there's any truth to this rumor, buy MSFT and sell GOOG. It's pretty funny that even Kurzweil didn't anticipate this level of ridiculous technological achievement. The Singularity is here, baby!
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wealthfront offers real 2FA (TOTP) and their Cash account pays 4.3%. Don't think there is direct Yubikey support yet. They are not a bank, but spread your deposits over multiple banks if needed in order to achieve high FDIC insurance limits. They also issue revocable unique login codes for some 3rd party app authentication, which I appreciate a lot. Some other 3rd party connections just use Plaid or similar.
Wealthfront requires me to authenticate with my existing bank (ie, entering existing creds into wealthfront) for transferring money. Any way around that? That's kind of a no-go for me.
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#287Still feel this product is beneath Apple, just feels like very standard banking with an Apple brand lazily plastered over it.
First of all, there was nothing "lazy" about the brand plastering. I am 100% confident that thousands of hours were burned in meetings between GS and Apple executives over precisely the manner and terms of said plastering.
Second, I don't think you fully comprehend what they've done, here. When you transfer money into your Apple(tm) Savings(tm) Account(tm), you have to modify a 64-bit fixed-point integer in TWO separate computers somewhere. Not only that, but you have to do it in the context of this Alien Technology called a "transaction", which requires all kinds of crazy shit like locks, semaphores, mutexes, etc. Then it has to get fsynced to a DISK, man! A disk! Sure, the old Apple may have been cool and all, but if you think Woz knew anything about writing to a disk, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Oh, and then, if that's not hard enough, you have to write a log of the event somewhere, with a timestamp. Do you have ANY IDEA how hard timestamps are? I bet you a thousand Apple engineers wracked their brains for weeks over how to represent it. Julian? Gregorian? Unix Epoch? Picoseconds since the big bang? This is NOT trivial engineering, here.
And the interest calculation? I bet you're thinking just use FMUL? Ha, enjoy your $0.0700000000000000000001 interest payment, dumbass. Apple engineers are smarter, they know that you need to package up the balance data into JSON, obtain an auth token from Tim Cook, sign the data with another token, ship the data off so some insane microservices rube goldberg contraption, and poll the event queue until the answer comes back. Sure, it's STILL going to have an IEEE754 mantissa error in it, but at least it was done The Right Way.
It takes ten thousand engineers with an average IQ of 130 and an annual comp of $300k each to figure out how to modify 64 bits inside a distributed transaction and then flush the results to this disc made of iron and glass spinning at 7200rpm. Give Woz or Hertzfeld the most lubricated office chair on Earth and I guarantee you they can't spin that fast. THAT'S the technology here.
And don't get me started on the app. I bet you anything that prior to modifying ALL 64 bits, you have to allocate half a GB of ram in a janky Swift runtime in order to draw some pixels first. Read some books, man. The old Apple were such mewling pussies they were all like, "OH NO THE UI COMPONENTS ARE EATING 4KB OF RAM, WE HAVE TO OPTIMIZE THIS!". Not anymore. New Apple doesn't care about any of that. Just throw 128MB of random shaders at the GPU and it will work itself out. Hell, why even bother with that? Just launch webkit, every other app on the planet does anyway.
Anyway, I'm just saying read some books and educate yourself on how incredible this new technology is. My grandmother used to hold up the checkout line at Kroger to write checks from her checking account using ANCIENT technology, and it was really suboptimal for everyone involved. Now Apple comes along and BAM! Checkmate, Gertrude. Good luck holding up the line with your SAVINGS account. This is what true innovation looks like.
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#288Its interesting to see, Goldman sachs equivalent product marcus is only offering 3.9% at the time of writing this. But with apple card, they are offering a much higher rate of 4.15%. I guess, the later is only confined to dollar amount from CC (credit card) related purchases. Nevertheless, I wish more CC companies do this.
I think the 0.25% extra interest they are offering is reduced marketing expense (general advertising but also things like getting an extra 1% for referring/being referred).
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#290Here are two manually curated lists of the currently highest yielding FDIC-insured deposit accounts in the US: https://phatwalletforums.com/topic/109/best-nationally-avail... https://www.doctorofcredit.com/high-interest-savings-to-get/ 4.15% is good, but there are better options, including with big banks like Bank of America (4.50% currently, though with an initial deposit requirement of $100k).
Where do you see 4.5% in BofA?
https://resources.bankofamerica.com/email/render-resource/40... https://olui2.fs.ml.com/Publish/Content/application/pdf/GWMO...
Big banks like Chase and Morgan Stanley have similar deposit products tied to their investment/wealth management arms:
https://www.jpmorgan.com/wealth-management/premium-deposit https://www.morganstanley.com/campaigns/wealth-management/qu...
They are not really competitive due to the high initial deposit or total balance requirements, as there are smaller banks that offer higher yields and no requirements. These products mostly function as an incentive for higher net worth individuals to maintain the relationship with their existing big bank.