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OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#91

Once you've trained on the internet and most published books (and more...) what else is there to do? You can't scale up massively anymore.

If you were devious enough, you could be listening in on billions of phone conversations and messages and adding that to your data set.

This also makes me doubt that NSA hasn't already cracked this problem. Or that China won't eventually beat current western models since it will likely have way more data collected from its citizenry.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#92
We will need a combination of technologies we have in order to really achieve emergent intelligence.

Humans are comprised of various "subnets" modelling aspects which, in unison, produce self-conciousness and real intelligence. What is missing in the current line of approaches is that we only rely on auto-alignment of subnetworks by machine learning, which scales only up to a point.

If we would produce a model which has

* something akin a LLM as we know it today, which is able to

* store or fetch facts to a short- ("context") or longterm ("memory") storage

* if not in the current "context", query the longterm context ("memory") by keywords for associations, which are one-by-one inserted into the current "context"

* repeat as required until fulfilling some self-defined condition ("thinking")

To me, this is mostly mechanical plumbing work and lots of money.

Also, if we get rid of the "word-boundedness" of LLMs - which we already did to some degree, as shown by the multi-language capabilities - LLMs would be free to roam in the domain of thoughts /s :)

This approach could be further improved by meta-LLMs governing the longterm memory access, providing an "intuition" which longterm memory suits the provided context best. Apply recursion as needed to improve results (paying by exponential training time, but this meta-NN will quite probably be independent of actual training, as real life / brain organization shows).

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#93

Eh. Altman has a financial incentive to lie and obfuscate about what it takes to train a model like GPT-4 and beyond, so his word is basically worthless.

In this case I think it's Wired that's lying. Altman didn't say large models have no value, or that there will be no more large models, or that people shouldn't invest in large models.

He said that we are at the end of the era where capability improvements come primarily from making models bigger. Which stands to reason... I don't think anyone expect us to hit 100T parameters or anything.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#94
post #81

Once you've trained on the internet and most published books (and more...) what else is there to do? You can't scale up massively anymore.

You can transcribe all spoken words everywhere and keep the model up to date? Keep indexing new data from chat messages, news articles, new academic work etc. The data is not finite.

What about all the siloed content kept inside corporate servers? You won't get normal GPT to train on it, of course, but IBM could build a "IBM-bot" that has all the GPT-4 dataset + all of IBM's internal data.

That model might be very well tuned to solve IBM's internal problems.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#96

Once you've trained on the internet and most published books (and more...) what else is there to do? You can't scale up massively anymore.

You can generate textual examples that teach logic, multi-dimensional understanding and so on. Similar to the ones that are in math books, but in a massive scale.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#97
This is just push back from elon and crews fake article about the dangers of AI, they specifically state the next versions will be ultra deadly.

Sam is now saying there will be no future model that will be as good.

This is all positioning to get regulators off the track because none of these control freaks in government actually understand a whit of this.

All said and done, this all just to try to disempower the OSS community. But they can't, we're blowing past their barriers like the 90s did with the definition of slippery slope.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#98
post #85

Eh. Altman has a financial incentive to lie and obfuscate about what it takes to train a model like GPT-4 and beyond, so his word is basically worthless.

It could also be argued that there's financial incentive to just saying "giving us more money to train bigger models = better AI" forever

I don't think these comments are driven from financial incentives. It's a distraction and only a fool would believe Altman here. What this likely means is they are prioritizing adding more features to their current models while they train the next version. Their competitors scramble to build an LLM with some sort of intelligence parity, when that happens no one will care because ChatGPT has the ecosystem and plugins and all the advanced features....and by the time their competitors reach feature parity in that area, OpenAI pulls its Ace card and drops GPT5. Rinse and repeat.

That's my theory and if I was a tech CEO in any of the companies competing in this space, that is what I would plan for.

Training an LLM will be the easy part going forward. It's building an ecosystem around it and hooking it up to everything that will matter. OpenAI will focus on this, while not-so-secretly training their next iterations.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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>"the company’s CEO, Sam Altman, says further progress will not come from making models bigger. “I think we're at the end of the era where it's going to be these, like, giant, giant models,” he told an audience at an event held at MIT late last week. “We'll make them better in other ways.” So to reiterate, he is not saying that the age of giant AI models is over. Current top-of-the-line AI models are giant and likely…

Is cost really that much of a burden? Intelligence is the single most expensive resource on the planet. Hundreds of individuals have to be born, nurtured, and educated before you might get an exceptional 135+ IQ individual. Every intelligent person is produced at a great societal cost. If you can reduce the cost of replicating a 135 IQ, or heck, even a 115 IQ person to a few thousand dollars, you're beating biology b…

But we're still nowhere near that, or even near surpassing the skill of an average person at a moderately complex information task, and GPT-4 supposedly took hundreds of millions to train. It also costs a decent amount more to run inference on it vs. 3.5. It probably makes sense to prove the concept that generative AI can be used for lots of real work before scaling that up by another order of magnitude for potentially marginal improvements.

Also, just in terms of where to put your effort, if you think another direction (for example, fine-tuning the model to use digital tools, or researching how to predict confidence intervals) is going to have a better chance of success, why focus on scaling more?

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#100

>"the company’s CEO, Sam Altman, says further progress will not come from making models bigger. “I think we're at the end of the era where it's going to be these, like, giant, giant models,” he told an audience at an event held at MIT late last week. “We'll make them better in other ways.” So to reiterate, he is not saying that the age of giant AI models is over. Current top-of-the-line AI models are giant and likely…

I've been training large 65b models on "rent for N hours" systems for less than 1k per customized model. Then fine tuning those to be whatever I want for even cheaper.

2 months since gpt 4.

This ride has only just started, fasten your whatevers.

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