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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by dathinab »

michaelt wrote: post #294
dathinab wrote: post #107

Soon we have a Microsoft more power full then ever but less controlled and constrained by anti monopoly regulation then ever. - after google search degraded for a while bing is competive - MS has much influence and stack in (not really open) OpenAI - MS has with LinkedLn a relevant social network, sure it's work focused but increasingly used for non work usecases - MS controls 2 of the 6 relevant gaming platforms (XB…

Some would consider the fact that Microsoft "competes with Google and Apple in the Cloud" and "has a not so competitive ad platform" and "has a semi competitive voice assistant" and so on is evidence they don't have a monopoly, rather than evidence they do .

they don't have a monopoloy but they are not far away from having more power then when they had a quasi monopoly

the mono in monopoly is in the end irrelevant, what matters is the power and ways you can abuse it. In the past you mainly got that with being a monopoly or duopoly but by now you can archive it by being "just" competitive with the best in a sector, and doing so in docent of areas and slowly integrating all of that into each other

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by kagevf »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #571
kagevf wrote: post #529

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> I usually use remote servers anyway Sorry for the OT question - do you use slime-tramp? And if so, do you have a way to use M-. (slime-edit-definition) without having to re-compile files using the remote paths?

I usually use Mosh (instead of SSH) and have a nice Emacs setup on remote servers. If I am using an iPad Pro instead of a laptop, I have Emacs on remote servers configured with Mosh to accept virtual mouse clicks (by tapping the iPad screen) to jump around source files and scrolling with screen gestures. This might seem awkward, but it is not. For Common Lisp, running Emacs on a remote server instead of slime-tramp h…

> I usually use Mosh

Mosh as in "mobile shell"? https://mosh.org/

> Would you suggest I try slime-tramp?

I don't know yet, I've just started trying it out.

What made me want to try it was that I could use GUI Emacs to connect to emacs running on a different machine and still have full access to all the emacs keybindings.

So far, the downsides that I have encountered are that M-. and C-c C-k (slime-compile-and-load-file) don't quite work. The work-around would be to visit each file using the remote path and re-compile them so that the running Lisp image can map what's in the image to a path tramp recognizes. Then M-. and C-c C-k should work.

To recompile, select all then compile (X-c X-p C-c C-c) works, or I think C-c M-k also works. Not a great solution if there are a lot of files, though.

IIUC the problem boils down to M-. eventually calling (xref-find-definitions) which is an emacs built-in, and I think that's why the tramp paths aren't translating until a re-compile is done.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

scarface74 wrote: post #490
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #482

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The only "data" I see there is a couple survey results from 2016.

Major enterprises are not going to GSuite. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-move... > Google grew its share of the productivity software market to 10.3% in 2020, according to research from Gartner, taking about 2% from Microsoft. Microsoft is still the clear leader however, with 89.2%. Overall, the productivity software suite market grew 18.2% during 2020.

My point wasn’t about the market share, it was that you decided to be condescending about not having relevant data, and then you also failed to provide any :)

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by revelio »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #559
revelio wrote: post #496

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I was there early on (not in the first 1000 though), and some people did try to point it out, but it was very hard because there's no way to say "maybe we can't hire more people without becoming less elite" in a way that sounds non-asshole-ish. So such sentiments tended to be voiced in private. Also it's just so vague. What is the right size for a company like Google? How many people should you hire for projects like…

> but it was very hard because there's no way to say "maybe we can't hire more people without becoming less elite" in a way that sounds non-asshole-ish.' Hmm this sounds like the concern was badly communicated because this phrasing is both unnecessary and not quite correct either. (since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources)…

>> since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources

Since when? You're assuming the pool of employees available to recruit is infinite which is clearly not true.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by slimginz »

Twirrim wrote: post #470
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

When I saw the title it reminded me of the 20+ years we'd see almost bi-annual news articles about how Dell was considering adding AMD chips to their line-up. They'd do that, Intel would offer them a discount, and that'd be the last we'd hear of it for a year or so, until that discount would be expiring.

IIRC someone at Intel once said that Dell is the “best friend money can buy” in an internal email that came out when Intel was being investigated for anti-competitive practices.

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Post by mirker »

uejfiweun wrote: post #540
mirker wrote: post #524

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Alphafold is open and seems fundamentally transformative in the science space. GPT is nice but it’s a smart meme-generator at the moment. I don’t disagree with the impact on G’s bottom line, though.

Gonna have to disagree about GPT. I’ve been using it as a tutor to learn ML on the side, and it’s literally the best tutor I’ve ever had.

Sure, I agree they are useful. My objection is it’s more in the tool category than science, while Alphafold is both. There isn’t convincing evidence that GPTs are pushing what we know; rather, they make it easier to process/search what we already know. You could hire an ML expert to be your tutor without GPTs and you’d get equal or better tutoring, though at a higher price. You can’t hire people to predict protein folding better than Alphafold. It’s very convenient that GPTs exist and they can provide tons of value, but they’re essentially the next version of mechanical turk or a domain expert you’d hire for contract work except more scalable. The net impact of GPTs may also be higher due to how often we use text, but I’d rather see a society curing disease, etc. than one generating fake books, etc.

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Post by docandrew »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #329
robotresearcher wrote: post #242

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How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

95% of what I search for, I can independently confirm once I have it in hand. For the other 5%, I avoid ChatGPT.

It’s great too when you don’t know exactly what to search for, especially for acronyms.

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Post by revelio »

Planktonne wrote: post #427
nus07 wrote: post #53

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Sundar is a McKinsey consultant who is very pleasant and agreeable and can keep a boat steady while maximizing shareholder return. Unfortunately there isn’t much innovation happening . Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character back at the helm.

> Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character These are not the same kind of character.

Page is much quieter and more private than Musk. Beyond that they're pretty similar in a lot of ways.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by inconceivable »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #462
inconceivable wrote: post #422

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all those individual contributor people got rich and left the company.

I can believe half of them did, or maybe 2/3, but that still leaves hundreds of original Googlers who could speak up.

how old are you? have you ever tried to get a group of 10 people, forget about thousands, to do something in a way that you think is "correct"? especially something worth millions and millions of dollars?

this is beyond the plane of rationality and the social forces take on a life of their own. it's not a math problem.

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