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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by impulser_ »

hrunt wrote: post #135
_fat_santa wrote: post #130

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They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

Did ChatGPT even make Bing a threat?

Bing has only 10m+ downloads on Android. Not even a top 200 app.

Samsung switch too Bing will hurt Samsung more than Google.

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Post by malaya_zemlya »

onlypositive wrote: post #412
vanviegen wrote: post #377

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Reminds me of Knoll’s law of media accuracy: “everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge”. Humans are pretty good bullshitters too!

Bing generating snippets of text from websites isn't going to generate hallucinations like you think it is.

It totally would, if Bing doesn't return relevant results.

I've asked BingGPT about myself and it gave me three answers. One was more or less on-point (it found my linkedin profile), and the other two were hallucinations. What happened was Bing found two unrelated pages and GPT has tried and failed to make sense of them.

Either that, or I am a prince whose name means "goose" in Polish.

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Post by KoftaBob »

Zigurd wrote: post #89
throwntoday wrote: post #18

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Hopefully. I can't think of a single product that has grown because of him so much as in spite of him.

How is that different from everything after Google Search. Alphabet is even structured around the idea of not being able to pick winners. I can discern some long term strategy in Android Automotive and Waymo, but nothing is sacred when it comes to cutting off products that are not growing.

It's one thing to say that Sundar hasn't led Google to innovate much in his tenure (I agree there), but to say Google hasn't picked any winners since Google Search?

- Gmail (largest email service at 1.5B users)

- YouTube (by far the biggest video sharing platform)

- Android (most used operating system in the world by number of devices)

- Google Maps (maps service with the largest userbase)

- YouTube TV

- The whole Google Drive Suite

- Chromecast/Android TV

- Chromebooks (made huge inroads in the k-12 education space)

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Post by rurp »

londons_explore wrote: post #208
londons_explore wrote: post #179

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It's all a shortcoming of management and incentives. They have plenty of smart people, plenty of amazing tech, but they are 100% failing to deploy the right people on building the right products for the right customers.

They also don't give enough polish to their products. For example, the Nexus 5 (2013!) had a bug - if you took 7 photos in quick succession, it wouldn't save photo 3 and 4. For example, you're photographing someone doing a dance, and you want a photo on each beat, so you tap the shutter to the beat of the music. On a 2022 Pixel 7, 10 years on...... The exact same bug.

In some cases it's even worse and they are outright hostile to certain groups. Google Maps has been crippled for years for anyone using it outside of internet service. One of the most basic features, saving a point on a map, is completely broken. Route finding and offline maps are unreliable in rural areas.

I get that people who rarely leave major cities are Google's favorite and most profitable user demographic, but there are still many millions of people outside of that group. Google can get away with sneering at them while they have a profitable monopoly, but once they breaks up they are in deep trouble. Their culture of half-baked and frequently shuttered projects is so ingrained at this point it's going to be enormously difficult to change.

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Post by surgical_fire »

philistine wrote: post #334
sho_hn wrote: post #257

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> To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. "You and me" is actually not a small or meaningless demographic. It includes my thousands of colleagues at Mercedes-Benz who use Linux desktops to do engineering work, and millions of other developers. It means a lot of scientists, for example at NASA and CERN. It means a lot of school students and government employees in educational and other municipal deploy…

In 2023, Linux on the desktop is merely death by a hundred papercuts instead of a thousand. Progress!

You may be snarky, but it is actually meaningful progress.

My first attempt on Linux was 20 years ago, before I was a technical user. It was a nightmare. Getting my mouse to work was impossible. Even figuring out how to turn the computer off so I could reinstall Windows was a pain.

I came back to Linux some 8 years ago, already as a Developer. Installed Ubuntu. Everything hardware worked well, no need to tinker around. Usability was good and somewhat intuitive, but it took me some time to adjust. I enjoyed it for programming, but not being able to play most games I care about limited my use, and I kept Windows in dual boot.

Nowadays I use Linux Mint as my only OS. It's objectively better than Windows in every way. For regular usage I don't even need to tinker with anything. Although I like the terminal and prefer using it, I can totally see how an average user can get by without touching it at all. I need only to tinker a little to get certain games running, and that's all.

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Post by layer8 »

Macha wrote: post #525
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

What would a Google office for desktop do that the current Google docs doesn't? Even MS is moving office to being cloud based, so it's not clear business users value local document availability that much - rather the opposite, I've worked in places that like cloud services because locking out their data from a disgruntled or departed employee is one button away.

There are worlds of difference between MS Office and Google Docs in terms of features and abilities. There’s actually a risk for MS to lose their edge by moving to the cloud with a reduced feature set.

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Post by surgical_fire »

sho_hn wrote: post #257
eldaisfish wrote: post #220

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To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop. Where it works, it is the exception, not the norm. Taking linux and turning it into a business model can be done - see valve and the steam deck. Granted, that is gaming-only but it can be done. The #1 problem with the linux desktop is that there is no single linux desktop and t…

> To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. "You and me" is actually not a small or meaningless demographic. It includes my thousands of colleagues at Mercedes-Benz who use Linux desktops to do engineering work, and millions of other developers. It means a lot of scientists, for example at NASA and CERN. It means a lot of school students and government employees in educational and other municipal deploy…

> -) I worked on the Steam Deck as CTO of one of Valve's contractors on the project. Glad you like it.

Not who you're responding to, but I am extremely grateful for the work that was put to make gaming on Linux possible.

I may not own a Steam Deck, but it's development allowed me to switch entirely to Linux without looking back.

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Post by rurp »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #335
bachmeier wrote: post #212

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> Now that AI has upset the applecart, they can use Bing to choke off Google's airsupply. It's more like Google has to change from optimizing for next week's revenue numbers to optimizing for user experience. People have been saying for years that their search results are trash. That we haven't seen a response from Google may be an indicator that they aren't able to return useful search results.

'People have been saying for years that their search results are trash'. Have they? I hear people say this on Hacker news but i've never heard it anywhere else, people seem to be using the internet just fine with Google as there main search engine, what is the alternative? Bing? It's still trash and Bing Chat is like a worse version of ChatGPT, I don't see it replacing Google currently.

FWIW, many of the non-tech people I know gripe about the same user facing issues that come up on HN, including poor Google search results. They just don't post about it on the internet and might not even know that there are alternatives.

I would bet that a good chunk of users don't know that you can change the default browser or search engine, or at least don't think to do so. They might not like the UX, but they have other things occupying their focus and muddle through a bad experience with their phone or PC, just like they do with many other mediocre interfaces throughout the week.

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