Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine • Hacker News Board

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by luckydata » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:18 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #521

This may be a Myspace moment for Google. The competition is now better. There's another huge issue. Google is an ad business. That meshes well with search, and not so well with question answering system on mobile. What's ChatGPT supposed to say? "But first, this word from our sponsor?". A big change in the ecosystem is coming. These next generation systems are being set up as walled gardens. Bing FAQ: "You’ll need to…

Is it better? It's flashy and interesting, but I don't think ChatGPT brings any actual value to the search use case. Other stuff, sure.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by oldgradstudent » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:20 PM UTC

simantel wrote: post #262

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google Cloud revenue (which includes Workspace revenue) was $26B in 2022. That's only 10% of Google's total revenue, but to put it in perspective, all of Salesforce did $31B.

Revenue is nice, but is Google Cloud profitable?

I can generate huge revenues selling $100 bills for $95.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by TrackerFF » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:23 PM UTC

oldgradstudent wrote: post #69

nus07 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sundar is a McKinsey consultant who is very pleasant and agreeable and can keep a boat steady while maximizing shareholder return. Unfortunately there isn’t much innovation happening . Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character back at the helm.

> while maximizing shareholder return. That's not maximizing shareholder return. That's locally maximizing shareholder return.

maximizing returns while minimizing risk.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:24 PM UTC

jamespo wrote: post #489

pjmlp wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android and Crostini are only on some flagship devices. And even in those, the lilliput SSD sizes make them hardly workable versus w regular laptop for the same price range.

That's not accurate, my device a Lenovo Chromebook S345 supports linux containers & android apps and is absolutely not a flagship. You'd struggle to run windows on a similarly priced laptop (cost me £150 a year ago).

It definitely is for the random devices being sold on German stores, usually with repeated discounts until finally someone takes them away.

Most of the time it is not possible to enable it.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:25 PM UTC

makeitdouble wrote: post #518

pjmlp wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android and Crostini are only on some flagship devices. And even in those, the lilliput SSD sizes make them hardly workable versus w regular laptop for the same price range.

On the SSD size, it's often the RAM that's really limiting for the linux subsystem. It's the same issue as on cheap windows laptops, only a tad better as ChromeOS is more frugal and orchestrates resources more aggressively.

Most cheap Windows devices come with 512GB.

Chrome being frugal, that is interesting. Maybe Electron devs could take some tips from ChromeOS.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Animats » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:27 PM UTC

luckydata wrote: post #551

Animats wrote: post #521

This may be a Myspace moment for Google. The competition is now better. There's another huge issue. Google is an ad business. That meshes well with search, and not so well with question answering system on mobile. What's ChatGPT supposed to say? "But first, this word from our sponsor?". A big change in the ecosystem is coming. These next generation systems are being set up as walled gardens. Bing FAQ: "You’ll need to…

Is it better? It's flashy and interesting, but I don't think ChatGPT brings any actual value to the search use case. Other stuff, sure.

It does on phones, where content has to be slimmed down.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by robertlagrant » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:28 PM UTC

darkwater wrote: post #32

robertlagrant wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps that will change in response to this.

But that would be anti-competitive, right?

I agree. Probably. Microsoft got hit for this, although of course changing browser is almost as easy as changing search engine.

The question is: why isn't it anticompetitive to have Bing as the default?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by nomel » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:30 PM UTC

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #491

I don't know how Bing is any better. I tried Bing today and the results are awful! The search results page is very bloated and there's too much going on everywhere. Too much irrelevant information. What surprises me is that they managed to make content look like ads, irrelevant and noisy. Comparing the screens to Brave Search, I'm surprised how good Brave Search is. Not only are the results much better, but the UI is…

In the crevices of search space, I get more duplicates with Bing than with Google. But, I do get duplicates, with both, which is insanely infuriating.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by MichaelZuo » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:35 PM UTC

revelio wrote: post #496

MichaelZuo wrote: post #358

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This has been described in many variations on HN, what puzzles me is why the early, loyal, employees didn't point out this dynamic developing. Or if they did internally, why the Board decided to ignore the most loyal and proven. Googler #1 to #1000 were clearly not fools, and by the 2010s they very likely had enough credibility to be taken seriously if several dozen of them said this.

I was there early on (not in the first 1000 though), and some people did try to point it out, but it was very hard because there's no way to say "maybe we can't hire more people without becoming less elite" in a way that sounds non-asshole-ish. So such sentiments tended to be voiced in private. Also it's just so vague. What is the right size for a company like Google? How many people should you hire for projects like…

> but it was very hard because there's no way to say "maybe we can't hire more people without becoming less elite" in a way that sounds non-asshole-ish.'

Hmm this sounds like the concern was badly communicated because this phrasing is both unnecessary and not quite correct either. (since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources)

The straightforward logic of:

linear increase in organization size = exponential increase in organization complexity = exponential frictional losses

would have been much clearer.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by cleandreams » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 7:40 PM UTC

I have begun to find bing search invaluable. It's annoying to use google although I don't even like the bing user interface for AI search. Much too hard to get to. I don't want a single extra keystroke.