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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Moving from C++ is the most reasonable choice ever. It is very complex and 20 developers who use it could come up with 20 solutions given freedom. Standardizing on a simple language is just good for collaboration.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google produces other products than search - Android for example. Waymo is the best self-driving car company (but the problem is self-driving cars won't work for a long time, if ever).

The problem is all Google's products use the free-plus-advertising model and this has caused them to drift to serving the advertisers rather than serving the users. And that makes it hard to switch gears to offer more benefits to users.

The main problem is Google shifted from making search better for their users

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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More precisely, Google makes AOSP, which is the basis for a licensed version of Android that includes a number of proprietary apps. Two things are not likely to happen: 1. Samsung will not give up on licensing Google proprietary package of apps. 2. Google will not yank Samsung's license. Google will absolutely tighten the screws on their future contracts to discourage these deals, as well as sweeping out crappy "cust…

> as well as sweeping out crappy "customizations." huh? Samsung OneUI features have been making their way into mainstream AOSP...particularly the tablet-focused stuff there is no way Google will ever try to "strong arm" Samsung...Samsung is the Android market, the Pixel line is a rounding error and in no way a competitive threat

Hmm...

>40% of Samsung's net revenue is mobile devices.

Only ~56% of Google's revenue is from Search ads - 40% of Samsung's NET REVENUE comes from selling Android devices.

It's almost as if Samsung is a lot more dependent on Google than the other way around.

At the end of the day - the majority of people you default to Bing search are going to switch back to Google. Samsung will be lucky to get a meaningful amount of money.

MSFT can't outbid Google because they can't make as much money from the searches as Google.

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That's exactly what I think. I personally also find him very uninspiring, it looks like he's basically just 'maintaining' the company on auto-pilot mode. No out of the world new ideas, and now the company is losing on the very field they were seemingly far-far ahead than the rest of the world.

10 years ago, Google was one of the most exciting companies in the world to me, culminating in that amazing Google Chrome comic https://www.scottmccloud.com/googlechrome/ Their products and software seemed genuinely inspiring. Now, it seems to just be maintenance or death. Seemingly happens with all once-loved tech companies to some degree. It's quite sad but I guess time moves on. Totally self-inflicted for them tho…

I thought Microsoft was well dead, but hey…here we are.

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Maybe an unpopular opinion but it feels like Google is near useless anymore. Between results containing outdated or broken links to empty discussions, and ads being their main priority as well as "fuzzy search results" where you can search for one thing and get something completely unrelated because Google decided you also meant to search for something else that is possibly contextually adjacent, I can't really get g…

Google is optimized for shopping and commercial sites at all other costs.

It's really become an impossibly frustrating tool. They've sucked for years and this was bound to happen.

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How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

95% of what I search for, I can independently confirm once I have it in hand. For the other 5%, I avoid ChatGPT.

Reminds me of Knoll’s law of media accuracy:

“everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge”.

Humans are pretty good bullshitters too!

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10 years ago, Google was one of the most exciting companies in the world to me, culminating in that amazing Google Chrome comic https://www.scottmccloud.com/googlechrome/ Their products and software seemed genuinely inspiring. Now, it seems to just be maintenance or death. Seemingly happens with all once-loved tech companies to some degree. It's quite sad but I guess time moves on. Totally self-inflicted for them tho…

DeepMind's stuff has all been impressive.

True but they are quite independent of Google from my understanding.

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How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

The average human is going to give me the wrong answer to a question I ask him.

But I'm generally not interested in asking an average human. I'm interested in asking someone who knows their butt from a hole in the ground in whichever topic I'm asking them about.

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