Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

sammobile.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

251–260 of 748 posts

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#251

Post by Angostura »

gsatic wrote: post #198
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google is not going anywhere and they will easily replicate anything OpenAI does. Its not that magical. Why they still rely on search/advertising is well known - Replacing a 150 Billion $$$ source of revenue is not a simple thing. Its like trying to replace everything ppl do in a midsized rich country with something else. And compared to Facebook which is still 99% dependent on Ads, Google is much more diversified (t…

> they will easily replicate anything OpenAI does

... not if it threatens their cash cow they won't. It's not a technical challenge, its a business model challenge

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#252

Post by snowwrestler »

Apple used this tactic to put pressure on Google:

2013: Apple Makes Bing The “Default Search Engine” For Siri

https://searchengineland.com/apple-makes-bing-the-default-se...

2017: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search results on iOS and Spotlight on Mac

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-t...

Hard to know if the AI features of Bing are the key factor here for Samsung, or just a handy excuse for Samsung to renegotiate pricing with Google.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#253

Post by cruano »

robotresearcher wrote: post #242
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary

I see you haven't met humans

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#254

Post by browningstreet »

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Watched the 60 Minutes interview with Pichai last night. He’s really… unimpressive. He shouldn’t be doing MSM interviews if that’s the tenor of his performance.

Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand and their cloud isn't dominant, and their AI product and market position got punk'd by Microsoft... and he's out there saying things like AI will be a bigger discovery than fire. Which calls into question: so why isn't Google a leader in AI, or seem to be?

It's a bad PR thread for Google, and he lacked any Q factor in those interview clips.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#256

Post by Dalewyn »

makeitdouble wrote: post #185
that_guy_iain wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, one of the things that has stopped me from even trying ChromeOS is that is/meant to be 100% cloud which means no local storage and since I code for a living having things locally is a must for me. It makes 100% sense in Schools and other places where you want to be able to reset the OS constantly and stop people from breaking it. I think for facebook machine's it would do well too but again I think alot of pe…

Chrome OS deals decently with local file. This is the same way Chrome deals with local stuff anywhere else. I think people underestimate what ChromeOS can do by a lot. There's the android subsytem coming with it, along with an optional linux subsystem, so all in all it covers a lot of ground. That said, it's still limited a lot by Google not going the full length and having half baked support for a lot of things. Acc…

>I think people underestimate what ChromeOS can do by a lot. There's the android subsytem coming with it, along with an optional linux subsystem, so all in all it covers a lot of ground.

First impressions are everything.

ChromeOS's first impression was that it's Chrome in OS form with no local compute whatsoever; everything is done via the internet, aka the cloud.

That is not strictly the case anymore, but changing first impressions simply is not trivial.

Higher end Chromebooks also rival low- to middle-tier Windows laptops in price, and if you're paying top dollar why not buy the latter and have access to the much more capable Windows ecosystem instead?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#257

Post by sho_hn »

eldaisfish wrote: post #220
sho_hn wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's very little value in the Linux desktop There's a tremendous amount of value in the Linux desktop. It's used to do amazing things every day. What you mean is that it's very hard to turn it into a business model, which I'd agree with. But these are not the same in the world.

To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop. Where it works, it is the exception, not the norm. Taking linux and turning it into a business model can be done - see valve and the steam deck. Granted, that is gaming-only but it can be done. The #1 problem with the linux desktop is that there is no single linux desktop and t…

> To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop.

"You and me" is actually not a small or meaningless demographic. It includes my thousands of colleagues at Mercedes-Benz who use Linux desktops to do engineering work, and millions of other developers. It means a lot of scientists, for example at NASA and CERN. It means a lot of school students and government employees in educational and other municipal deployments.

A lot of the places where Linux is used is for roles that act as multiplicators, e.g. in the development and production of end-user products, or research/science/RD that will lead to new ones, or in educating the people who will one day make new ones.

All of this is a lot of value if you sum it up. There may be no single shining CEO and his shareholders getting rich off of the Linux desktop in the way we're used to fawning over in the tech hustle news cycle. But the world at large almost certainly is. I submit that's a fine success metric.

> To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop.

For many users it's today more reliable than contemporary Windows. Ten years ago, the Linux desktop experience for a non-technical user was death by a thousand papercuts. Today there are still some gaps in HW support that can create unsolvables, but if your machine is well-supported, things work just fine.

What's mainly keeping it back is many other factors, from channel availability to software availability.

> see valve and the steam deck

:-) I worked on the Steam Deck as CTO of one of Valve's contractors on the project. Glad you like it.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#258

Post by edgyquant »

ajmurmann wrote: post #217
KyeRussell wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. You’ve immediately alienated all but the smallest minority of users to draw a distinction that most people just flat out don’t experience.

It's not invalid though. Those are the reasons I stopped trying to use Linux on a laptop.

Linux is not relevant to the discussion.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#259

Post by pinewurst »

jwestbury wrote: post #197
Gustomaximus wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I get the essence of the comment and agree somewhat, but also feel; There are plenty of other areas driving big revenue like adsense, youtube, play store, cloud and pixel. I dont feel its fair to compare revenue to these in the same level of search. Search was a true unicorn business and took over the world, there only so man…

Taking another approach: Google is proof that having great engineering doesn't matter without competent business leadership. For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel -- they both have incredibly talented businesspeople with long-term focus and a focus on delivering real value, rather than pursuing the latest fad passion project.

Don't forget also Google's consistent bad treatment of customers (or rather victims as it often feels like) across all their businesses.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

#260

Post by [deleted] »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

[deleted]
Post reply on HN