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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by delfinom » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

>They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something)

Ah yes, Canonical, land of people attempting to fork the Linux ecosystem and getting shot down by everyone and doubling down.

Would be a perfect fit for Google.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by CydeWeys » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

jwestbury wrote: post #197

Gustomaximus wrote: post #171

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> so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I get the essence of the comment and agree somewhat, but also feel; There are plenty of other areas driving big revenue like adsense, youtube, play store, cloud and pixel. I dont feel its fair to compare revenue to these in the same level of search. Search was a true unicorn business and took over the world, there only so man…

Taking another approach: Google is proof that having great engineering doesn't matter without competent business leadership. For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel -- they both have incredibly talented businesspeople with long-term focus and a focus on delivering real value, rather than pursuing the latest fad passion project.

> For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel

Amazon isn't doing all that well recently, though (check $AMZN). And I'd argue that the product design on their biggest product, the e-commerce bit, is terrible. I know so many people, me included, who no longer buy entire categories of goods on Amazon because you simply can't trust the quality/authenticity of the goods anymore.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by delfinom » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

>How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine?

Because they lack product management at the executive level downwards. With no goals set for current and future products, the engineers downstairs are allowed to play....a little too much which means the company as a whole flounders.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by CydeWeys » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

garganzol wrote: post #44

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> better desktop OS > Google It wouldn't be an OS, it would be a casino full of flashy ads. The worst company for anything business critical. Ads - yes, email - ok, anything else - never. They get away with Android because it's mostly a consumer market.

Have you actually used Chrome OS? It's not like this at all. I would imagine the same approach would be taken on a fully featured OS.

Ironically Windows is the OS that is full of shit ads these days, not Google's OS.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by philistine » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

gsatic wrote: post #198

traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google is not going anywhere and they will easily replicate anything OpenAI does. Its not that magical. Why they still rely on search/advertising is well known - Replacing a 150 Billion $$$ source of revenue is not a simple thing. Its like trying to replace everything ppl do in a midsized rich country with something else. And compared to Facebook which is still 99% dependent on Ads, Google is much more diversified (t…

Decrying the imminent death of Google is ridiculous, but what you’re doing is also ridiculous. Google has fragile legs. They are not diversified enough, and a blow to their cash cow could severely hurt them. Losing advertising dollars in search could even hurt the YouTube revenue stream, since it’s the same advertisers for both products.

Google could be in deep trouble in five years.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by delfinom » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #208

londons_explore wrote: post #179

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It's all a shortcoming of management and incentives. They have plenty of smart people, plenty of amazing tech, but they are 100% failing to deploy the right people on building the right products for the right customers.

They also don't give enough polish to their products. For example, the Nexus 5 (2013!) had a bug - if you took 7 photos in quick succession, it wouldn't save photo 3 and 4. For example, you're photographing someone doing a dance, and you want a photo on each beat, so you tap the shutter to the beat of the music. On a 2022 Pixel 7, 10 years on...... The exact same bug.

>They also don't give enough polish to their products.

Well yea, Google copied old-Microsoft's incentive structure of working on new features for promotions.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by usrusr » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

gspencley wrote: post #88

seydor wrote: post #42

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google still owns android

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original. Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching…

Look how well Huawei smartphones are selling in the west (not well at all). And that's not because of lack of trying, I've been on a team where everybody agreed that supporting their phones had zero upside outside of the cash Huawei offered for a port of our apps. And we did it, only because they paid so much. And those were laughably unattractive apps (think yellow pages), I can't even start to imagine what they must have spent in other directions.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ChatGTP » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

tough wrote: post #196

Nephx wrote: post #190

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And they've invested billions into the development-scene, especially lately. Noteworthy; - Github with its new Copilot API to multiple IDE's (incl. third party) - Typescript and standards management - NPM, locking into the entire web2 ecosystem

Oh damn, NPM too? lol. MS owns my ass and I can't even do shit about it

Soon you will be owned by Clippy, and the way it's going, you will become a paper clip. No joke.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by CydeWeys » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

that_guy_iain wrote: post #97

pjmlp wrote: post #76

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Laptops are desktops. In regards to ChromeOS, it hardly matters outside the US school system and Googleplex.

For me, one of the things that has stopped me from even trying ChromeOS is that is/meant to be 100% cloud which means no local storage and since I code for a living having things locally is a must for me. It makes 100% sense in Schools and other places where you want to be able to reset the OS constantly and stop people from breaking it. I think for facebook machine's it would do well too but again I think alot of pe…

Chrome OS devices have local storage. Premium ones (which are not even that expensive, in the $500+ price tier) have a 256GB SSD for local storage. This at least has not been my issue with Chrome OS.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by delfinom » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #99

DrThunder wrote: post #75

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By desktop app they don't mean an app that runs on desktop computers only. They mean an app that runs locally and not web-based. Office 365 desktop vs Office 365 web portal. Google doesn't offer anything but web based.

I'm not sure that would have changed anything, though. Their main loss is that ChromeOS isn't marketed as 'business-oriented' but that's probably because you can't market it to businesses when tons of legacy software doesn't run, and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience). But when businesses do use GWorkspace products, it's not an issue that it all happens within the browser.

>and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience).

And it isn't because they didn't try Sheets. Lol. Nobody I know likes Google Sheets.

They basically copied the UX of Office 2003 and did nothing to improve upon it since it's initial release over a decade ago.

It's awful.

Shit, it still doesn't have the concept of tables like Excel does and you need to manually paint rows, manually find the hidden filter creation option for cells and manually refresh the table because the fitlers are kludged such that they don't automatically re-filter when you edit a row.

Even Mail Merging is awful. https://developers.google.com/apps-script/samples/automation...

Like, you don't need a programming degree to mail merge in Office but you do for Google Sheets because it's a script instead of built-in feature.