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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

scarface74 wrote: post #69
candiodari wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about the plenty of policies Apple has that I don't agree with and they've declared not their problem? * their developer policies (as in my own apps, think business apps, playing around, ... and no the little play education app is not enough) * file synchronization apps (syncing books, development/source code, apps, photos and music on my webserver, ios, android, and laptops through syncthing) * emulation (i…

Points 1 and 2 don’t really make sense (ie doesn’t really make a point at all). What exactly are you saying? > their policy about 30% cut on anything sold through apps. Sorry, but that's just going too far Only things digital items. 80% of all App Store revenue comes from in app purchases of loot boxes and pay to win games (according to the Epic trial). > their charging policies (meaning what their devices allow for…

What I got from the comment was that the overall intention and push behind sideloading, both by the community and what the EU mandates, is to not be bound by Apple's policies for appmaking, not just to use your own distribution infrastructure.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by akmarinov »

bena wrote: post #30
overthrow wrote: post #17

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You're dreading giving other people the freedom to make one choice, and yourself the freedom to make a different choice (yours being the default option from the factory btw), and everyone gets the privacy/control tradeoff they want?

I think you're missing something. Meta makes the Facebook app. Currently, the only way to get the Facebook app on iOS is through Apple's App Store. Which means Meta has to follow all of Apple's guidelines. Once sideloading is allowed, Meta can make a version of their app that does not follow Apple's guidelines. Now, they can maintain two apps, but last time I checked, the cost of maintaining one app was lower than th…

Apple will likely make the sideloading process so involved that it’ll be outside of the competency of the vast majority of the users.

Facebook would just shoot themselves in the foot with having to support two apps for little value.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by akmarinov »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #58
archerx wrote: post #7

I just want first class PWAs.

iOS 16.4 added a bunch of PWA-focused features. What gaps do you feel still exist?

Probably background services and processing, something even native apps can’t do.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by akmarinov »

Karunamon wrote: post #28
wahnfrieden wrote: post #5

EU only. Not in the land of the free.

This assumes facts not in evidence. The change is being forced by EU law, but it would take more effort to geo-fence it than to make the change globally. Not to mention the fact that it would be effort in the direction of a PR loss. No, the more Apple way to spin this is as a positive for everyone. As if they had the idea the entire time and just now figured out how to make it work.

It’s not that hard - they already do it plenty.

Like Apple One, Apple News, the Emergency SOS feature, the Apple card stuff, Apple Pay it Later, ECG on the watch, heart rate notifications, Siri defaulting to a male voice, etc that’s only available in the US/UK/some other countries.

And that’s not even getting into all the changes they’ve made to the Chinese version of iOS to appease the Chinese government.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by Spivak »

1over137 wrote: post #51
Spivak wrote: post #34

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Software isn't fungible and right now today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android. If FB pulls from the app store that choice is taken away.

>today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android You have a third choice: don't install facebook at all.

You see how that's worse right? Either give up your privacy or don't use FB. On iOS you can have both.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by sneak »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

That's because you don't live in China where Apple is forced by the state to remove VPN apps (that bypass government censorship) from the App Store.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by sneak »

mft_ wrote: post #27
29083011397778 wrote: post #11

> Historically, Apple execs including Tim Cook and Craig Federighi have staunchly opposed sideloading citing privacy and security reasons. Which is funny to me, because after flipping through the App Store for an email client, I found, on this heavily curated storefront, a single digit number of apps I would trust with my email credentials. Android, with it's option to "sideload" F-Droid, gives me dramatically more o…

Genuine question: what are you basing these 'trust' judgements on, especialy in the case of the Android apps? Open source, or something else?

For me, it's where the apps send the credentials or usage information off to.

Most apps in the iOS App Store are chock full of spyware that reports on everything you do in the app. Many of the Apple system apps function the same way too (even with analytics disabled).

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by mschuster91 »

cageface wrote: post #37
bena wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing something. Meta makes the Facebook app. Currently, the only way to get the Facebook app on iOS is through Apple's App Store. Which means Meta has to follow all of Apple's guidelines. Once sideloading is allowed, Meta can make a version of their app that does not follow Apple's guidelines. Now, they can maintain two apps, but last time I checked, the cost of maintaining one app was lower than th…

This hasn’t happened on Android where side loading and alternative app stores have been available for years. Why would iOS be different?

Because Google doesn't give a fuck about what apps pull off until there's media outrage. It took them years to implement basic privacy features.

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Post by Loic »

m-p-3 wrote: post #44
TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I don't think Apple will diminish their control on the App Store requirement, it's too much of a selling point to them. In fact I hope they keep their requirements the same, and I'm quite happy to see sideloading becoming a thing. More choice is nice. I'd be so happy to see F-Droid venturing on the iOS side, and distribute open-source apps you can trust that would otherwise not be available on the App Store (emulator…

The only reason I am using an Android phone and not an iOS one is because of F-Droid to install the open-source app I like and need. I would definitely switch to iOS if I could have this freedom there.

I hate that with Android I trust that Google will at some point succeed with a dark pattern in letting me agree to siphon my data without my real agreement.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by pdpi »

twelve40 wrote: post #39
bena wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing something. Meta makes the Facebook app. Currently, the only way to get the Facebook app on iOS is through Apple's App Store. Which means Meta has to follow all of Apple's guidelines. Once sideloading is allowed, Meta can make a version of their app that does not follow Apple's guidelines. Now, they can maintain two apps, but last time I checked, the cost of maintaining one app was lower than th…

> There will only be the sideloaded option how did you come to that conclusion? certainly not true in the android world. I don't have the stats on prevalence of sideloadong vs. play, but all official apps are alive and well in play after decades of being able to sideload

Does Facebook have an ongoing dispute with Google about privacy controls on Android, though?
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