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Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

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I did well in high school math. These days, when something involving algebra, trigonometry, geometry etc comes up I feel like I have a good understanding of it but my calculus seems weak to non-existent. I'm not sure if it's how I was taught, how I studied it or something else but calculus always seemed like a huge step change in difficulty. That said, I love how this article gives practical hints on how to replicate…

I find personally that my math ability is set to approximately 2-3 levels "below" the highest level math I completed, and I've seen hold for others. I have an applied math bachelors so I've taken analysis, dynamical systems, and other high level math classes, but I find that the stuff that I actually remember at a level to pass undergrad exams is up to linear algebra or maybe a little more advanced. Of course if I we…

I was literally about to write this same comment. I did physics so I finished some group theory and complex analysis, but 20 years later all that stuff is gone because I never applied it in other classes. Only the stuff that kept coming up, like calc 1/2 and first order diffeq, really stuck.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#53
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Reminds me of college when I said to my Real Analysis professor "that's a neat trick". His response: "It's not a trick, it's a method." :-)

I would classify a trick as something that happens to work but isn't rigorous. Like treating dy/dx as a fraction sometimes works, but only under certain conditions.

In my mind, a trick is something that applies to unusual and specialised cases, whereas a method is something that can apply to a broad, well-defined class of problems.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#54
Slightly off-topic: didn't know what ⌊x/2⌋ is

Google: x squared (???)

GPT: The expression ⌊x/2⌋ represents the greatest integer that is less than or equal to x/2. It is called the floor function of x/2. For example, if x=5, then ⌊x/2⌋ = ⌊5/2⌋ = 2. If x is an even integer, then ⌊x/2⌋ = x/2. If x is an odd integer, then ⌊x/2⌋ = (x-1)/2.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#55
post #12

I did well in high school math. These days, when something involving algebra, trigonometry, geometry etc comes up I feel like I have a good understanding of it but my calculus seems weak to non-existent. I'm not sure if it's how I was taught, how I studied it or something else but calculus always seemed like a huge step change in difficulty. That said, I love how this article gives practical hints on how to replicate…

One of my professors used to say that “even a horse can do derivatives. Integration is the real deal”, another one said that you integrate by “look at it, deeply, deeply, deeply; and then solve it”.

The point is, many part of high school math is actually really “algorithmic”. I was one of the few in my class who absolutely loved coordinate geometry over “normal” geometry, because I simply felt really comfortable with equations — once you have it down, you can basically solve it, even if it is harder than the “notice this and that” elegant solution.

Most integration problems require this intuition-based solution which has a certain elegance to it.

It was especially humbling to me that Wolfram alpha fails most of the interesting calculus problems I encountered during my analysis classes, but after a while I managed to solve most of them. But it unfortunately does disappear after not using it for a time..

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find personally that my math ability is set to approximately 2-3 levels "below" the highest level math I completed, and I've seen hold for others. I have an applied math bachelors so I've taken analysis, dynamical systems, and other high level math classes, but I find that the stuff that I actually remember at a level to pass undergrad exams is up to linear algebra or maybe a little more advanced. Of course if I we…

I was literally about to write this same comment. I did physics so I finished some group theory and complex analysis, but 20 years later all that stuff is gone because I never applied it in other classes. Only the stuff that kept coming up, like calc 1/2 and first order diffeq, really stuck.

With that said, does anyone know of a good method to relearn math efficiently? I found it to be really hard to self-learn any math topic, most books repeat everything from the basics at the beginning like what a set is, and then suddenly turn into ultra-advanced with “the proof is trivial” all around.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#57

Here's another exercise (resp. exam question) that tests understanding: given a sketch of a curve in a graph, roughly sketch the derivative (or integral). The number of otherwise good students who go "but I can't do the derivative without the formula?" suggests we need more questions like this.

Also a good question to test intuition is being asked to sketch e^sin(x) and sin(e^x).

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#58

Here's another exercise (resp. exam question) that tests understanding: given a sketch of a curve in a graph, roughly sketch the derivative (or integral). The number of otherwise good students who go "but I can't do the derivative without the formula?" suggests we need more questions like this.

I recall a similar exercise on my AP Calc exam from years ago.

Instead of sketching the derivative based on the graph of a function, we had to sketch the function based on a table of data which described the function as well as its first and second derivatives in terms of value, existence, and sign at various points and intervals.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#59

Here's another exercise (resp. exam question) that tests understanding: given a sketch of a curve in a graph, roughly sketch the derivative (or integral). The number of otherwise good students who go "but I can't do the derivative without the formula?" suggests we need more questions like this.

Also a good question to test intuition is being asked to sketch e^sin(x) and sin(e^x).

Intuition tells me e^sin(x) would look similar to an ordinary sinusiod, except its range would be between e^-1 and e, and its shape would not be smooth as a sinusiod. I have no idea what the shape would look like, and I'm a visual learner when it comes to mathematics.

I think most of these questions are not measuring intuition per se, but rather has the tested person previously seen such functions plotted on a graph.

Either that, or my mathematical intuition has got rusty from years of code monkeying.

Re: I liked this simple calculus exercise

#60

Slightly off-topic: didn't know what ⌊x/2⌋ is Google: x squared (???) GPT: The expression ⌊x/2⌋ represents the greatest integer that is less than or equal to x/2. It is called the floor function of x/2. For example, if x=5, then ⌊x/2⌋ = ⌊5/2⌋ = 2. If x is an even integer, then ⌊x/2⌋ = x/2. If x is an odd integer, then ⌊x/2⌋ = (x-1)/2.

I was aware of the floor function (and the corresponding ceiling function) since I’m a software engineer. But I wasn’t aware that you could graph it. It never came up in high school or college math. And I never thought about it. Of course, it makes sense now that I’ve seen it.
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