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AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

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Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#131

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The only thing with Fi is that it is T-Mobile, and you'll always be in a lower priority block of customers compared to people paying for T-Mobile directly, which mean you'll see slower traffic in congested areas at peak times (including e.g. during rush hour traffic).

If you're travelling, I find it hard to beat Fi. You literally land in a new country, turn your phone back on and you get a "Welcome to [country] - your data rate is the same" message almost anywhere. Personally - I've flown from Taiwan to Brazil to Amsterdam and then back to the US and I don't have to think about my phone. It just works. --- Outside of the travel use-case, I would also probably pick something else,…

I still have my Sprint plan. This is how it works by default. (Sprint + gvoice = google fi; before gfi you could merge your gvoice and sprint accounts which was really cool. Then they cancelled that and started gfi) Since the TMo merger, I suspect gfi is still using the Sprint stuff.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#132

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Yeah, except they leak customer data regularly and have offshored tons of customer service to India -- including onboarding. When I tried to sign up, they didn't know what an esim was and wanted my SSN, along with other data that could easily be used to steal my identity. I don't want to spend my days arguing with people, definitely not about the existence of esim; but I did that day. It went all the way up their cus…

> As for me? ATT has provided the best service of any carrier while traveling, so I will use them. I'm curious about your reasons to say that AT&T provides the best service "while traveling". I'm guessing it would be domestic travel, because AT&T roaming charges are the second highest among the big three (I believe Verizon is actually even more expensive). I was a customer and an employee of AT&T for a while, and I f…

Do you mean international charges? I thought roaming has not been a thing for a decade.

Many ATT plans include usage in all of the western hemisphere, excluding the Caribbean islands. And for countries not included, it is $10 per day ($5 for other lines on your plan) up to 10 days in a billing cycle, and after that it is free until the next billing cycle.

Not the cheapest (I think T-Mobile has international at $5 per day), but not terrible either for a quick jaunt somewhere and not having to worry about SIMs or changing phone number or whatever.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#133

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You need to file an FCC complaint about this, Xfinity has an executive response team for all FCC complaints. Document every time you called them and your equipment details.

Honestly, that experience was years ago, and I don't really care enough to raise a fuss about it just today, since their first-party router is "not too terrible". About Xfinity in particular though, assuming someone else uses them, I did learn just recently that at least Xfinity allegedly offers a special decoder box (or something) that is, I believe, free of charge, and lets you hook up your router directly rather t…

I bought my own 3rd party cable modem for Xfinity and it works fine.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

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Remember how 5G was supposed to support "the metaverse"?[1] I've been working on a high performance metaverse client. All Rust, all multi-threaded. Designed to max out a gamer PC. Supports Second Life and Open Simulator. Second Life had a reputation for being sluggish. Fixing that. I'm pulling content from the servers at 200Mb/s, sustained. 400Mb/s in tests, but don't need to go that fast. The servers (AWS front-ende…

Are you insinuating, sir, that a telecommunications company has lied to the public? A lie that increases their own profits?? How dare you!

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

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post #96

Remember how 5G was supposed to support "the metaverse"?[1] I've been working on a high performance metaverse client. All Rust, all multi-threaded. Designed to max out a gamer PC. Supports Second Life and Open Simulator. Second Life had a reputation for being sluggish. Fixing that. I'm pulling content from the servers at 200Mb/s, sustained. 400Mb/s in tests, but don't need to go that fast. The servers (AWS front-ende…

Unlimited is a term of art that means "limited".

Yup. Buffets have been that way forever. No one is actually allowed to eat unlimited.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#136
post #35

> I already knew from previous experience that for some reason, AT&T traffic to fast.com is throttled. Why AT&T wants bandwidth to appear lower than reality is a mystery to me, but I digress This I think is because they throttle ip addresses for known video streaming sites. That is one of (the only reliable) ways an ISP can get the streaming provider to drop the stream to a lower quality one by default. Since fast.co…

> Since fast.com is a Netflix ip, and the isp can’t distinguish whether it’s video that is being transferred or a file to measure throughout,

It is really trivial to do basic traffic snooping and see what people are looking at. I'm surprised it isn't more common.

I figured it would be harder, or perform worse, but I easily wrote a little piece of software that filters the TLS ClientHello for arbitrary domains. Maybe 10 years ago hardware wouldn't have been able to do this, but I bet it's no big deal now. So your filter chain just looks like -> -> unthrottle. You don't need to do packet inspection on every packet, just ones that you might be interested in (e.g. Netflix IPs).

It's crazy to me that the many people who care about privacy and censorship in tech haven't pushed ECH (encrypted ClientHello) harder. It's such a gaping hole in web privacy that you can still passively snoop domain names sent in cleartext. It makes DoH/DoT almost pointless.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, that experience was years ago, and I don't really care enough to raise a fuss about it just today, since their first-party router is "not too terrible". About Xfinity in particular though, assuming someone else uses them, I did learn just recently that at least Xfinity allegedly offers a special decoder box (or something) that is, I believe, free of charge, and lets you hook up your router directly rather t…

I bought my own 3rd party cable modem for Xfinity and it works fine.

Well, in my situation/ISP it did happen. Though it was a while ago so I don't remember too many specifics.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#138
post #35

> I already knew from previous experience that for some reason, AT&T traffic to fast.com is throttled. Why AT&T wants bandwidth to appear lower than reality is a mystery to me, but I digress This I think is because they throttle ip addresses for known video streaming sites. That is one of (the only reliable) ways an ISP can get the streaming provider to drop the stream to a lower quality one by default. Since fast.co…

> Since fast.com is a Netflix ip, and the isp can’t distinguish whether it’s video that is being transferred or a file to measure throughout, It is really trivial to do basic traffic snooping and see what people are looking at. I'm surprised it isn't more common. I figured it would be harder, or perform worse, but I easily wrote a little piece of software that filters the TLS ClientHello for arbitrary domains. Maybe…

This isn't applicable to fast.com as it simply makes requests to Netflix's CDN from the frontend. Indistinguishable from regular Netflix traffic.

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#139
post #96

Remember how 5G was supposed to support "the metaverse"?[1] I've been working on a high performance metaverse client. All Rust, all multi-threaded. Designed to max out a gamer PC. Supports Second Life and Open Simulator. Second Life had a reputation for being sluggish. Fixing that. I'm pulling content from the servers at 200Mb/s, sustained. 400Mb/s in tests, but don't need to go that fast. The servers (AWS front-ende…

I'm interested in more info about your client. Is it open source, is there a website or blog post about it?

http://animats.com/sharpview/

Re: AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable

#140
post #126

One nit of the author's analysis: The Strava javascript file used for speed tests is 1.68MB uncompressed. But in a browser and most all other situations it should be requested with `Accept-Encoding: ...`. In Chrome, Strava responds with a gzipped response that's 463kB in size. This doesn't really matter for the CLI speed tests, when its requested without compression, but it does mean that the speed test performance w…

Fair nit. Although this is why I chose to focus on transfer rates instead of time.

But consider this. When I load Strava's dashboard, open the Network tab and search for "cloudfront", these are the metrics:

> 374 requests 15.80 MB / 7.07 MB transferred Finish: 4.89 min

This is not a good time, and no amount of compression is going to help the situation.

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