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Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #262

nivertech wrote: post #206

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Not all salmon species are sashimi-grade. Pacific and various types of river salmon must be properly cooked or hot smoked. The same is true for farmed salmon from freshwater ponds. Farmed Atlantic salmon can be eaten raw, marinated, or cold smoked, but is best deep frozen. Wild Atlantic salmon must be deep frozen.

> Not all salmon species are sashimi-grade. You should never eat any fish or flesh cooked that you wouldn't eat raw.

This simply isn't true. Some things are perfectly safe cooked but unsafe when raw. Pork is a good example of this: Folks get parasites from undercooked pork. (I'm sure there are others, I just know this with pork). Cooking meat saves live and helps prevent food-born illnesses.

Heck, this isn't even true with vegetables. Kidney beans need to be properly cooked so they aren't toxic. One kidney bean is enough to cause stomach distress. This is the reason you shouldn't cook raw kidney beans in a slow cooker - they need boiled. Other legumes have this toxin, but in lesser amounts so it isn't as important and as such, safe with most cooking methods.

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by mey » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:26 PM UTC

neon_electro wrote: post #234

mey wrote: post #92

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Upside is many EVs have 120v AC outlets so a portable induction plate is an easy add. It's actually an option for the Rivian truck in the pull out kitchen.

Unfortunately, "Rivian has deleted the Camp Kitchen, Tunnel Shuttle, and R1T Tent from its online gear shop. All three were previously listed as “not available yet” until earlier today when their entries disappeared." https://electrek.co/2023/03/29/rivian-deletes-camp-kitchen-a...

That is rather unfortunate. It's a rather cool idea.

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by pvaldes » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

mattmaroon wrote: post #318

bookofjoe wrote: post #307

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The "raw" salmon at sushi bars has previously been frozen.

So has the raw salmon at the grocery store. You’d have a hard time buying fish that hasn’t been previously frozen, you just don’t know it because grocery stores thaw it before it goes into the display case.

> You’d have a hard time buying fish that hasn’t been previously frozen

Maybe in some places but nor all. Raw salmon is fresh when sold. Most of this fishes are domestic. It does not have sense economically to spend energy freezing a product that you can kill and put in the market by plane the same day.

Also there would be a problem with re-freezing a frozen fish. Sushi bars store the products in a special ultrafreeze storage,for some time. They are obliged by law to do this.

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by hydrok9 » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

Jolter wrote: post #132

tsimionescu wrote: post #126

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Born and living my whole life in Romania, I can tell you that this fear is pretty true. Many people, especially from the older generations, don't trust medium or under steaks. I should say those that it's not so much a question of the cleanliness of the kitchen, but of the confidence in quality control of the meat. Parasites and tainted meat are a lot more common than in more wealthy countries.

Ok so meat controls are bad in Romania. Romania is in Eastern Europe, but so are Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic. I would have no qualms at all eating rare meat in either of those countries. I just think stereotyping “Eastern Europe” as some mid-20th century agrarian backwater is very counterproductive to good discussion.

Hungary and Czechia are typically considered central European though

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by mattmaroon » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:48 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #323

mattmaroon wrote: post #318

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So has the raw salmon at the grocery store. You’d have a hard time buying fish that hasn’t been previously frozen, you just don’t know it because grocery stores thaw it before it goes into the display case.

> You’d have a hard time buying fish that hasn’t been previously frozen Maybe in some places but nor all. Raw salmon is fresh when sold. Most of this fishes are domestic. It does not have sense economically to spend energy freezing a product that you can kill and put in the market by plane the same day. Also there would be a problem with re-freezing a frozen fish. Sushi bars store the products in a special ultrafreez…

Farmed salmon can be sold never frozen for sushi. Wild can’t. It is one of the few fish that can be purchased that way because it has very low incidence of parasites.

But still her own graph showed it was well above 140C (the temperature at which parasites are all dead) and she was talking entirely about microbes.

So even if you purchased Never frozen farmed salmon and cooked it this way, you’d be very safe. Even if you didn’t cook it at all you’d be very safe, as evidenced by the fact that the government allows it.

Say what you want about our government’s food regulations, they are not at all risk tolerant.

I wouldn’t want to cook salmon in a dishwasher, but I wouldn’t hesitate to eat it for food safety reasons, and her video made me less concerned, not more.

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by qohen » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #10

Originating in the United States, Vincent Price demonstrated preparation of fish in 1975 when appearing at The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Price presented the dish as "a dish any fool can prepare". Apropos of nothing, Vincent Price only played bad guys because he was such a nice guy that playing nice guys wasn't acting in his mind. Edit: Wikipedia describes him as an American actor, art historian, art collector,…

Originating in the United States, Vincent Price demonstrated preparation of fish in 1975 when appearing at The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Price presented the dish as "a dish any fool can prepare".

Here's a clip[0] of that Tonight Show episode, from Nov. 21, 1975. The fish in this case was trout, not salmon, but it -- and some zucchini, etc. -- were cooked in a dishwasher.

(The link below is cued up to just before they walk over to the cooking area, but the earlier part might be of interest too, as they talk about art-forgery, etc.).

FWIW, the guest from the segment prior to Price's said it was the best fish she'd ever tasted.

[0] https://youtu.be/aqORoVYCUIY?t=502

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by hydrok9 » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC

Jolter wrote: post #221

kwhitefoot wrote: post #210

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Prague is further west than Vienna.

It is! Still it’s part of Eastern Europe, by some definitions. See the Wikipedia page for Eastern Europe. All in all it’s a useless moniker these days for most purposes.

Only in the context of the former USSR are those states considered "eastern". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe#/media/File:Gro...

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by giantg2 » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

withinboredom wrote: post #320

giantg2 wrote: post #269

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It doesn't have to be a long time if it's a special freezer. You can use a regular deep freezer (non-defrosting) for a longer time. I believe the protocol is something like -30F for 1 day, or -5F for 14 days.

You should probably remove your guess or provide a source. If people are seriously dumb enough to “cook” with a dishwasher, someone is probably going to also take your guess at face value.

Maybe you should provide a source for your guess that my statement is a guess, or remove it. Maybe you could Google first?

What you will find is that there are multiple sources with slightly differing times, even from reputable agencies. What I have stated is actually on the conservative side. Here's one source that is on the faster side.

https://scdhec.gov/food-safety-freezing-parasite-destruction

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 6:27 PM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #305

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #292

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Ann Reardon's channel definitely has lessons for the HN startup crowd - definitely a case of "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade". Her channel was originally a high quality baking channel, but then she did a video titled "Is So Yummy the worst channel on YouTube?" or something like that. It basically highlighted how all these "hands and pans" content farms just have these sped up, interesting to look at videos…

It's bizarre to me how shallow it stays and how do much of the content just tries to trick the consumer. On Instagram I constantly see travel photos and clips with no indication of where the location is. Videos of weird stuff happening sand if you read comments, you learn it's fake or important context that makes it interesting kiss omitted. How does anyone consume this without getting annoyed about these unanswered,…

My theory is a huge portion of those watching are age 5-12.

Re: Dishwasher Salmon

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Post by samstave » Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 6:43 PM UTC

neon_electro wrote: post #234

mey wrote: post #92

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Upside is many EVs have 120v AC outlets so a portable induction plate is an easy add. It's actually an option for the Rivian truck in the pull out kitchen.

Unfortunately, "Rivian has deleted the Camp Kitchen, Tunnel Shuttle, and R1T Tent from its online gear shop. All three were previously listed as “not available yet” until earlier today when their entries disappeared." https://electrek.co/2023/03/29/rivian-deletes-camp-kitchen-a...

That sucks. I wonder if it has anything to do with their ruggedness over time, which may result in recalls down the line if they vibrate whatever mounting components they have and become dangerous/unstable/easily-broken thus a maintenance nightmare.

What happens to the rear end kitchen in the event of a rear-end

plus with the through-tunnel - I wonder how easily the machine is completely totaled in the event of a crash causing the tunnel structures to warp/bend/buckle.

I love these trucks - but I hope they took them out for eaither engineering/safety or more simply suppliers/supply-chain issues.