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Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Post by eru »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #117
eru wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is to let people make their own decisions about what to buy and what contracts to enter. If there's some other regulation standing in the way of making that useful, perhaps we should dismantle that one, instead of adding more?

That's not an alternative, that's the status quo. There is no regulation standing in the way of allowing customers to repair their property. What is standing in the way is a perverse incentive.

Those perverse incentives might come from some regulation. (Perhaps intellectual property laws..)

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Post by kortex »

defrost wrote: post #73
zamnos wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That only saved you $4,750 if your time is worth $0/hr. Assume it was two eight-hour days, times two people, or 32 hours of labor. If you make $149/hr, it's cheaper for you to pay the quoted cost. If you don't, it's cheaper for you to do it. Which it sounds like it was. But thinking you just "saved" $4,750 doing it yourself isn't the right way to look at it.

The reality on farms is repairs aren't a one off they're constant .. farming as a business is literally working the land at the critical times and dovetailing working the equipment and the business in between the pure agricultural work. Having a hundred repair jobs a year that might be each be quoted between one and ten thousand sound about right for medium scale farm here, and the bulk of those would be done "in hou…

You just helped me realize the real value of the Open Source Ecology project and ones like it. I've always thought they were neat, but when you add up all the cost of the raw materials and "vitamins" (stuff you can't easily fabricate), plus the necessity of a quite well kitted out shop, it's often not necessarily cheaper than buying the equipment used and fixing it up yourself. But the simple designs make all those field repairs way easier. Also understanding every nut and bolt on the system as you build it creates an intuition about the system holistically.

https://www.opensourceecology.org/portfolio/tractor/

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #100
lb1lf wrote: post #61

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-This is very much my (anecdotal, but from several companies in the subsea business, ranging from huge multinationals to small fry almost mom-and-pop shops) experience, too: Service work is basically seen as a licence to print money. Contract negotiations for newbuilds are cutthroat, the most important parameter being price, price and price. Hence margins are as you'd expect. Except when it comes to service work, as…

The "break-even on initial install, make profit on recurring revenue" model is common in a lot of industries. I've worked for engineering service companies where they'll take on a design at minimal profit, in order to secure the manufacturing contract that's worth far more. Or a medical device company that would provide the instrument (normally sold for around $750k) at cost, in exchange for a lucrative supplies & co…

Sounds like printers to me. It’s harder and harder to find one where you can replace your own ink.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Post by silexia »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #23

What I don't understand is why a couple of the higher quality tractor companies have not started pushing hard to brand "we support repair" and having available online manuals and software to support this. This seems a perfect marketing/product platform for an underdog that also believes this. Massey, Fendt or similar could really differentiate themself and take market share on the back of this I suspect. Especially w…

Parents on tons of ridiculous tractor related concepts prevent this. We badly need patent reform or outright abolishment of parents. Parents are the greatest source of monopoly in America.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Post by timbit42 »

freejazz wrote: post #48
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #7

But will John Deere do what Apple did? Here’s one example: “Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery” https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... “I’m starting to think Apple doesn’t want us to repair them”

I don't get this article - he wants to replace the battery... to do that he has to replace the screen. he then complains that he has to use this big device to suck the screen off?? he wanted to do the repairs... these are the tools to do the repairs. he'd be writing the same exact article if they sent him crappy versions of the tools to do the repairs...

> to do that he has to replace the screen

Designed to be difficult or impossible to repair. Such strategies should be heavily punished.

Re: Colorado passes agricultural Right to Repair

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Post by dataflow »

kwiens wrote: post #4
dataflow wrote: post #3

Does the governor not need to sign it? Or has it been signed already? Because I wouldn't be celebrating yet until it's signed into law (if even then). NY's right to repair law was destroyed at the governor's desk at the 11th hour. [1] [1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/29/23530733/right-to-repair...

Governor Polis still needs to sign it, and you are right to be skeptical after New York. Two reasons to be optimistic: * In CO, the Governor can't mess with the bill like NY, only sign or veto it * Gov Polis is very good on tech issues, and has signalled to us (the coalition) that he will sign it

Any idea when the governor is signing the bill? It seems like 6 of the 10 days have already passed and nothing has happened from the news I can find.
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