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Culture Is Stuck

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Re: Culture Is Stuck

#11
I hate to "blame this on millennials," but think it might be just that millennial (and gen-X) culture is stuck.

1. I think that is common for every generation however. "Pop culture" changed, but is mostly the youth. The older generations didn't change that much. We remember the differences, but forget how much is the same. 2. Youth culture is different today than the late 00's, but it takes time and space to see those differences clearly. 3. Cultural plateau is the historical norm. While we can argue if it is good or bad, the wider 1k+ year historical view shows this is just a reversion to the mean. (granted before it was localized and now mostly globalized)

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#12

I was discussing this with my my wife this morning, she had a good phrase for what's happening - "The homogenization of culture". I think she's right, the algorithmic curation of how we consume media has replaced the self and community curation of before. That "algorithm" has become the homogenising agent. I fear how AI based generative media may continue or even amplify this effect. Imagine a future where the algori…

AI generating personalized, unique media would not be homogenization. It would be the opposite - the death of shared culture.

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#13
I think this article is correct that the cause of the freeze is the internet homogenising culture.

But this process also happened in the 1960s with the rise of TV. That's why if you ask someone to name a band, the most common answer is still The Beatles. The word 'futuristic' still refers to the aesthetic of The Jetsons. And if you talk about 'the 20s', you mean the 1920s, rather than the current decade.

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#14
That tweet is pretty funny. Sure, Paul, nobody would know you were from the future, because you don't do weird shit. Wear weirder clothes. Be part of a subculture. Make some friends with the kind of people who write microfiction or zines or 256-byte demos. Make the culture yourself.

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#15
post #8

Culture often grows with technological advancement. For example, electronics gave us rap music (from samplers), techno, 3D animation, video games. All of those brought in a lot of fresh and new ideas to the table for a couple decades until it stagnated. I’m hopeful that the coming A.I revolution will lead to the next stage of culture.

I feel A.I. will definitely usher in a new culture. One example of the shift will be on Instagram (and any other influencer-led social media platform): How will human influencers compete with perfectly crafted A.I. influencers? Imagine a Belle Delphine for any niche audience. It'll be impossible to retain any attention as a limited human being, so they will mostly disappear from social media, and social media itself…

Nerds are likely to overestimate regular people’s desire to have extremely custom things, or the uniqueness of people’s taste overall.

We are memetic creatures, and most people simply enjoy the same things.

AI might help us find new things with mass appeal but niche audiences will continue to not matter so much in comparison, culturally and economically.

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#16
I dunno, it seems obvious to me that our culture is still very much being created, changed, and iterated upon, just perhaps not in a way that feels familiar to people born in the 20th century.

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#17
I have two problems with this narrative, roughly summed up as:

1. No, culture is _gone_. When you transform people into individual economic entities each responding to the market conditions in what approximates the most efficient manner possible and when your societies denigrate, minimize and underfund institutions meant for collective good, then there really isn't any material reason for people to form a "culture," if you understand culture to be a mutually supporting social fabric meant to improve some idea of public good. Margaret Thatcher literally loved to say "There is no society!" and this is basically the idea that the modern anglosphere has built the last 3-4 decades on.

2. There is a ton of cultural innovation out there. Untold richness. What is missing is the funnel which used to select out elements of cultural innovation and elevate them to "mass culture." In our current world, where you can search out exactly what you want, the power of "global tastemakers" like record company scouts and media critics and movie producers and so on is, in most respects, muted. The market forces these institutions and players to play to the absolute lowest common denominator to maximize market reach. In the past the music market, for instance, was pretty inefficient, and what was cool was at least strongly modulated "top down." But all that is done. If you want cultural novelty, its everywhere you could choose to look. But don't expect much of it to become truly popular. The economics of media has shifted away from that model.

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#18
The author is entirely incorrect that you won’t be able to differentiate fashion from today and 2007.

There was a clean break even if you compare 2013 to 2023.

He’s just not very discerning of clothes. And he doesn’t have the benefit of looking at only archival photos that capture the purest expression of cultural moments.

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#19
I think this misses this biggest cultural revolution to happen in decades, which is AI assisted art and creativity.

It’s been ages since I saw a new paradigm in art that really caught my attention. It seems like elite artists have not had much to say for a few decades aside from navel gazing. Suddenly we have these machines that can produce high quality finished pieces out of our vague whims. With it has come an outpouring of the bizarre and humorous, a total democratization where ideas are no longer limited by execution.

Culture is only stuck if you look at the most globalized corporate universal customer version of it. Underneath that we have the revolution of the individual and the niche where anyone can access an audience.

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#20
post #7

Culture often grows with technological advancement. For example, electronics gave us rap music (from samplers), techno, 3D animation, video games. All of those brought in a lot of fresh and new ideas to the table for a couple decades until it stagnated. I’m hopeful that the coming A.I revolution will lead to the next stage of culture.

I'm surprised at this take, since so far AI has mainly reduced the cost of creating content similar to what already exists.

That could be how culture breaks out of the corporate monocultures where Disney+, ClearChannel, etc own everything. See the AI’s could generate new “Beatles” songs which sound authentic but aren’t. This could lead to an era of high grade “fan fiction “ essentially.

However I’d guess the corporations would push really hard to own anything that “sounds like” the Beatles to prevent that.

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