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The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

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Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#11
I find it hilarious they are saying VCs wont invest in redhat style business because it's growth is not "hyper".

These same VCs who are so fundamentally incompetent at the basics of capitalism, like risk management 101 of interest rates, that they had to get bailed out by the government, by the FDIC randomly deciding to rewrite the entire rule book that the rest of us normies have to live by.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#12
> If Red Hat tried to force people to pay too much, everyone would switch to the freely distributed versions (AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc.).

Not if they need a long term supported and certified OS with various compliance checkmarks associated with it.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#13
post #12

> If Red Hat tried to force people to pay too much, everyone would switch to the freely distributed versions (AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc.). Not if they need a long term supported and certified OS with various compliance checkmarks associated with it.

Yeah, but the question is whether such requirements apply to software beyond operating systems.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#14

I find it hilarious they are saying VCs wont invest in redhat style business because it's growth is not "hyper". These same VCs who are so fundamentally incompetent at the basics of capitalism, like risk management 101 of interest rates, that they had to get bailed out by the government, by the FDIC randomly deciding to rewrite the entire rule book that the rest of us normies have to live by.

I don't see it that way. They were bribed with venture debt and mortgages to ignore the tail risk of uninsured deposits. Probably many VCs would have made the same decision in retrospect.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#15
Red Hat early on invested in understanding the needs of the different industry verticals they were trying to sell into and made sure their products could meet things such as compliance and audit requirements of differing sectors. They developed guides on how to deploy their products in a manner which met those requirements and their professional services engineers understood not just Red Hat products but the specific needs of differing sectors. This is how I saw them winning enterprise customers over larger established players in the early 2000s. Even today most opensource businesses don't do this to the extent Red Hat was in the early 2000s.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

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post #13
post #12

> If Red Hat tried to force people to pay too much, everyone would switch to the freely distributed versions (AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc.). Not if they need a long term supported and certified OS with various compliance checkmarks associated with it.

Yeah, but the question is whether such requirements apply to software beyond operating systems.

They might but unless they also come on a supported OS with all the certifications checkboxes checked it won’t even get its foot in the door. It helps if that other software is built on as much of the already supported and maintained set of base libraries.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#17
Red Hat worked because it was a time (the height of the dot-com bubble) when open source operating systems were something of a Wild West - rapidly becoming an industry standard, but not well understood by existing businesses. Red Hat provided guidance for that transition.

Confluent was arguably also able to do this for a similar reason - at the time they launched, the Kafka model was becoming vital, but was also novel and difficult to manage in production, and its enterprise services and support were critical for adoption. (They do have a managed cloud now, but their enterprise services were 73% of their revenue in 2021 and 61% in 2022: https://investors.confluent.io/node/8466/html ).

But it's hard to run what is essentially a professional services firm and popularize an open-source product at the same time... unless your open source product is already rapidly becoming paradigm-defining, and you're the people with the unique know-how to position yourself as the saviors for that space.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#18

"open core is the best model" says company dedicated to pursuing open core... There are dozens of "open source business models" and as this article shows the "red hat model" isn't even one thing.

I remember back when Microsoft used to be anti open source too. They would release super straw man type articles about how proprietary software was actually cheaper with lower ToS and other poppycock.

Weird to see a startup making such simplistic, wrong statements to promote their business rather than to protect an entrenched business.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#19
post #12

> If Red Hat tried to force people to pay too much, everyone would switch to the freely distributed versions (AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc.). Not if they need a long term supported and certified OS with various compliance checkmarks associated with it.

You can have CIS, FIPS, and a whole host of other compliance without Red Hat, arguably just as easily.

The reality is containers and container-first OSs are killing RHEL, you no longer need a breadth of OS packages or a fully capable OS. Just docker or podman. The only place RHEL has a stranglehold is with COTS apps, but those are all moving to containers too. I can't think of any widely used container that uses RHEL/CentOS or Fedora for the base image, that was a huge miss on RH's part.

Re: The Red Hat model only worked for Red Hat

#20
Reasons why people pay for Red Hat:

  1. Customer support
  2. Certifications
  3. Vendor support
I don't know another distribution of Linux that provides all these things to the extent Red Hat does. You don't use Red Hat because you want to, you use it because it's the only choice.

Any business could do exactly the same thing, and do it better than Red Hat. But there's really not much reason for a customer to move away from Red Hat if they're already on it, and it would take you a hell of a long time and a dumptruck full of capital to match them on the above.

Open Core is not a business model, just like Open Source isn't a business model. A business model is promising to fix a customer's problem, certify their software, and get vendors to support them. That alone will get you a yearly renewing contract for a couple million that you then upsell over time.

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