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Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by sublinear »

petilon wrote: post #160
sublinear wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fj0hpsJvrko You can either listen to what he's literally saying, or just be impressed by his rhetoric. He says pretty bluntly they: "... were not necessarily those seasoned professionals, but who had at the tips of their fingers and in their passion the latest understanding of where the technology was and what we could do with that technology" So, basically find young people with tons of e…

You are hearing portions that you want to hear. Yes, he did not necessarily want seasoned professionals, but you missed the bit before that: "we wanted people that were insanely great at what they did...." Steve Jobs did not build insanely great products by hiring morons. Also: "Leadership is having a vision, being able to articulate that so that people around you can understand it, and getting a consensus on a commo…

> Steve Jobs did not build insanely great products by hiring morons.

If you watch the rest of the video I linked it's pretty clear that Apple probably did hire and fire plenty of morons that the engineers would weed out (specifically mentioned is the Macintosh team).

The reason hiring is more difficult today vs then isn't because Steve Jobs was so great, but because the internet has brought upon the doorstep of every business a flood of highly motivated drones who don't know what they're doing and will only bother learning if they're getting paid to do it. The demise of entry level jobs and other cost cutting is partially to blame as well.

I guess the modern solution is contract-to-hire so there's some kind of buffer between the horde out there and the workplace you're cultivating.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by ksec »

earthling8118 wrote: post #146
thefz wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, do we need all that for a person that sold cellphones? Are we screwed so much by capitalism at this point?

With how people here worship Steve Jobs and the iPhone, yes we're screwed. People will talk about that damn phone as if it was the savior of humanity.

Damn Phone? I mean as much as I like to shit on Apple in the past 5- 6 years, I dont think you understand the impact of iPhone or Steve Jobs had to the industry.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by ksec »

rrgok wrote: post #58

This may feel a little depressing, but I would like to hear the HN community's thoughts on this. Every time I hear about making progress or creating something beautiful, the first thing that comes to mind is: for how long? As humans, do we think about how long we are going to chase the ever-moving goal post of progress? Do we have a ballpark idea of it? Or are we moving like a dog chasing its own tail, going in circl…

Well we are chasing it because it is still no where near good enough.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by ksec »

jrowen wrote: post #63
naremu wrote: post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

What's amazing to me is how some people continually try to minimize him. The proof is in the pudding. He assembled the top talent to produce the best products that pushed our experience with technology forward. Very few people are able to do that. Any time someone says "oh he just," it says more about their own insecurity than him. Yeah he had a lot of help, yeah he had personal relationship issues, he's not a god, b…

1. They have zero understanding of business, they have zero understanding of how hard it is to run a successful business.

2. They have minimal people management experience, which means they never understood how hard it is to recruit top talent, retain them, all while molding them into something much better.

3. They also have zero sales experience and talent. As if trying to convince people to buy could be automated by their software ( Google ).

4. They have little understanding of Marketing. How to market their product to the outside world.

5. They have no understanding of how PR works.

6. They have little understanding of "real world". Zero interest rate, easy access of money, and bull market for the past 15 years meant most never been through a recession.

HN used to be full of entrepreneur, after all it is a forum for startup. And its pro-business stand is why on Wiki it is still listed as alt-right. And yet somehow all of that were gone.

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Post by vagab0nd »

teleforce wrote: post #126

How wonderful is that Steve was describing ChatGPT in his speech to the T back in 1983, and the vision is being realized in not so distance future in 2023, after 40 years instead of 50 to 100 years as his prediction: "The problem was, you can’t ask Aristotle a question. And I think, as we look towards the next fifty to one hundred years, if we really can come up with these machines that can capture an underlying spir…

Meanwhile, in the same talk [0], someone asked a question about "big banks having a record of your life" and "privacy issues" (audio of the question was not directly available). Jobs didn't seem to have any insight on that, or think it's important.

0: Starts at around 29:20: http://lifelibertytech.com/2012/10/02/the-lost-steve-jobs-sp...

EDIT: nothing against Jobs. I just find it interesting.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by southernplaces7 »

leobg wrote: post #129
teleforce wrote: post #126

How wonderful is that Steve was describing ChatGPT in his speech to the T back in 1983, and the vision is being realized in not so distance future in 2023, after 40 years instead of 50 to 100 years as his prediction: "The problem was, you can’t ask Aristotle a question. And I think, as we look towards the next fifty to one hundred years, if we really can come up with these machines that can capture an underlying spir…

It does take a special person, and a special frame of mind to even sit down and ask such a question. I guess 80% of the reward is simply asking the question. Having a system that actually answers it might only be worth 20%. We’ve already seen cases here where, if a doctor had asked ChatGPT, they would’ve diagnosed the disease correctly. The problem wasn’t that the AI wasn’t good enough. The problem was that they neve…

Many people have considered such questions throughout modern history in the 20th century, and if anyone currently thinks that the current or near-future versions of ChatGPT are anywhere near capable enough to give a genuinely measured answer in the style and consideration that would have been given by some famous historical figure, that person needs to seriously reassess their gullibility with the current crop of hype over AI. I say this without negating that the these technologies have made some impressive interaction, analysis and simulation advances in recent months.

Also, doctors have asked ChatGPT to diagnose diseases. There was even an HN thread about a doctor doing that very thing and describing the results quite recently. Spoiler if you find the thread: the results are distinctly underwhelming and far from being wonderous in any way.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

filoleg wrote: post #60
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has demonstrated publicly that he doesn't understand some pretty basic shit.

And? You can demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge of something basic in one area, and understand some extremely complex things in another. Ben Carson (a US presidential candidate from 2016) is one of the most brilliant neurosurgeons in the world, and yet he derailed himself often by bumbling about his conspiracy theories about pyramids in Egypt being used as rice silos. He showed himself a fool on a number of…

No, I mean he has demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge with programming itself, but he's making large architectural decisions and firing the people warning him about it.
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